Bosch pulling out??

I hope not. I haven't heard this, but it would not surprise me if this were happening.

yes, my local vendor sent me the letter yesterday

Yes, all combustion products

Anyone else still in the market besides ECR and U.S. Boiler?

electrification is here to stay.

I’m relatively surprised the utilities are still maintaining gas lines in the streets. .

At some point we will all get a letter in the mail: “on such and such date we will be discontinuing natural gas services to your area, please make plans now to covert to alternate heating technologies”

like every social movement, it’s a slow process

With my present boiler, I'll get a tank installed and put the oil burner back in.

I’m guessing someday the regulators will squeeze out the oil industry. And Propane.

Somebody make a memo, and check this comment out in 20 years from now.

I think they want to kill off all fossil fuels. That's fine but electricity does not grow on trees. And it will take years and a huge investment to get the grid up to speed. So what are they going to generate all this power from?

Solar and wind and hydro are ok but that will only cover a small portion. that leaves gas, oil or coal which they don't want.

So unless they go back to nukes, I don't know where its coming from.

They just built a New High School in the town I grew up in and lived in for 60 years. Its all electric I just found out and it is a huge HS. The old school was only 65 years old had HW heat.

Around here the State doles out money, and they pay 50 or 60% or whatever it is and you always hear the same thing. it will cost more to remodel the old school than to build the new one and the state will not pay for a remodel.

The phrase "sharpen our focus post-acquisition" in the letter caught my eye.

I went to the Bosch website, and found this press release: "The company has successfully completed the largest acquisition in its history. The acquisition of the residential and light commercial heating, ventilation, and air conditioning (HVAC) business from Johnson Controls and the acquisition of the Johnson Controls-Hitachi Air Conditioning joint venture were completed as scheduled on July 31."

It looks like this includes the York, Coleman and Hitachi brands.

I wonder if they're discontinuing the Bosch brand of boilers and replacing it with York.

Anything is possible if the price is right. I think that price is what makes many nervous lol. Luckily Bosch is not the only boiler manufacturer, in my region they are known as the cheapo condensing brand that all the PE companies install so I am not shedding a tear.

Carrier owns Viessmann climate-products. I imagine they would dump conventional boilers if they are a $$ drain

I wonder how tariffs play into decisions? Viessmann stuff comes from Germany and France, and other Euro plants.

Boilers will be slowly diminishing. it will be a long time going. Upgrading the grid and powerplants will take years. My brother worked in Power Plants for the last 50 years. They just don't have the capacity now. A good hot day in the summer and they are flat out now. They don't want fossil fuels but where will the power come from? Nukes take time.

Probably quite a bit.

I've seen Dunkirk boilers rebranded as Carriers.

@hot_rod That is what is needed. New technology blended into old. Not get rid of fossil fuels all at once as some groups are preaching.

Wind and solar can go down in a natural disaster.

If boilers and furnaces go away, we need more power plants and more wind and solar, maybe nukes and the grid needs upgrading as well to handle the additional load.

1920s-30s many homes were on a 30A 120 volt service, 40s-50s a 60 amp 240 volt service which was 4x the capacity of the 30 amp 120v service. Around 1960 the 100 amp service became the minimum. Starting in the 80s 200 amp services are common and now there are a lot of 400amp services. The grid needs upgrading.

i thin most of europe's electric infrastructure got wiped clean in wwii and much of it is newer than in the us. that's not to say that in the us utilities haven't been collecting money from users of electricity and have a responsibility to invest some of that money in to maintaining the thing that makes them money, but I suspect that there is far less infrastructure that is 100 years old in europe.

I watch a lot of U tube videos particularly 1 guy in Ca. Lots of RTUs in the desert going full bore and 110-120 outdoors. The line voltage on his meter with 208 3 phase is almost always dragged down to under 200 volts. If you have a 200 amp service on your house and the code says you need 4/0 aluminum or 2/0 copper yet the power company drop is #6 aluminum. Poco doesn't use any copper. they have their own rules and yeah its hanging in free air.

When I built(reno) ~2000, my aerial service was #6. The util was willing to give me 200a service, but the transformer and thus the mainline pole needed changing at my cost. I went with 125a service so as to just reuse the existing transformer. They agreed then tried to reneg ("anything over 100a") after I had installed my end . Fortunately I knew someone who got one of their own engineers involved and then allowed it.

All that to say, I cant do the electric heating required with a HP in my climate without an expensive upgrade.