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Weil McLain Gold pressure valve issue (video)

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tmtruett
tmtruett Posts: 50
edited August 16 in Domestic Hot Water

Boiler heats our water. 30 PSI Pressure release on the top back of until opened and stayed in the open position. I shut boiler off, turned off water supply and flipped the valve. Valve continued to dribble after it was flipped. I watched the gauge rise to 30psi and the valve did its job and released a shot of water and valved closed on it own, but still dribbling. This repeated a few times. So the valve is doing it's job. What could be causing the excess psi?

Expansion tank was changed a year ago

Thanks for any insight you might have.

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  • HydronicMike
    HydronicMike Posts: 429
    edited August 16
    1. Fill valve not seating. Valve off fill and see if it happens again.
    2. If you have a domestic coil, domestic coil leaking. Valve off coil and see if it happens again.
    3. And/or air in system. After ruling out/fixing 1 or 2, purge air from system.

    And while you have the system down, replace the relief valve and install it in the proper orientation.

  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939
    edited August 16

    Sounds like a bad expansion tank. System pressure should not rise above 12 to 18 psi if tank setup and operating properly.
    Take pressure off the expansion tanks and check the psi.

    post a couple pictures of the boiler and the expansion tank, please.

    tmtruettMail4tommo
  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50
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    The pressure reducing valve seemed a bit hard to pull up on the lever. But maybe I'm over thinking how much force is required. It is original (1996) so at 30 years it may be faulty

  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50
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    Air came out of tank valve.

    PC7060
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Posts: 7,656

    The PRV is from 1995. I don't see a tankless coil. That's a Series 1 WGO. Is there an indirect water heater? You can set cold pressure, then shut off the feed valve and wait a day to see if pressure rises. A relief valve not seating properly needs to be replaced.

    If the problem is the PRV, have fun spinning it off. The knucklehead installers piped it so close to the boiler. Maybe Watts makes the same model and you can rebuild it.

    tmtruett
  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50

    Yes there is an indirect water heater tank. Replacing the PRV looks to be a pain. Perhaps getting a new one and replacing the internals? Can't seem to find a rebuild kit

  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939
    edited August 16

    Good air is coming out a valve, but you need to test with no pressure on boiler. Since there’s no way to isolate that expansion tank to take pressure off, I think you’ll have to drain down the system before checking psi on the tank.

    once you’ve got it drained down, do yourself a favor and add a isolation valve with drain above the tank.

    https://www.supplyhouse.com/Webstone-40613-3-4-Pro-Pal-Full-Port-Forged-Brass-Ball-Valve-w-Hi-Flow-Hose-Drain-Reversible-Handle?

    edit: once the boiler is drained down that will be an excellent time to replace the PRV

    tmtruett
  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939

    can you post a picture from feet back? I’d like to see if there’s any isolation valves above the boiler.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Posts: 28,196

    Is there a shut off before the fill valve?

    This yellow handle looks to be a bypass around the prv for fast fill/ purge?

    If there is another valve before the fill, turn it off, bleed down pressure. Then you can run the system.

    Plenty of systems run with the fill valve turned off. All the time.

    If pressure continues to rise and the expansion tank is not waterlogged, it may be the indirect leaking into the coil.

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    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    PC7060
  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50

    OK so turn yellow valve off, (currently off), bleed down then turn on and watch. I did turn off valves to the water tank, so I will open those. just making sure I understand before trying

  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939
    edited August 16

    Those pictures are helpful, thanks. Also need pictures of piping above boiler zone valves as well. Looking for insulation valves and the circulator pump.

  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939

    Provide pictures of indirect hot water tank and the valves you mentioned above. Try taking picture from a few feet further back.

  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Posts: 7,486

    did you replace the “GoodAir” that came out of the x-tank?

    tmtruettEdTheHeaterMan
  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939

    Ugh. Whoever installed the boiler used shark bite joints, which I guess are legal, but makes me question the experience of the installer.
    What professional doesn’t have a ProPress tool in their kit?

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  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939
    edited August 16

    I see isolation valves (yellow handle 1/4 turn) on the three zones returns directly above the expansion tank.

    I don’t see isolation valves on the supply side other than the zone valves.
    Assuming those are normally closed you should be able to close the valves on the return lines and drain down boiler without drain draining rest of the house.

    What’s your comfort level working on mechanical systems and plumbing?

    tmtruett
  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50

    No just tested it to see if water was in it and then to pressure check (20 psi).

  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50

    Isolated and drained boiler. Took the top off the PRV. Hoping this is the smoking gun.

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  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939
    edited August 17

    Time to buy a new one! Be sure to install the  isolation valve with drain above the expansion tank while you are in there..
    https://www.supplyhouse.com/Webstone-40613-3-4-Pro-Pal-Full-Port-Forged-Brass-Ball-Valve-w-Hi-Flow-Hose-Drain-Reversible-Handle?

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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Posts: 17,994

    the boiler looks ok. whoever replaced the water heater was a hack.

    PC7060
  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50
    edited August 17

    Well, no good dispite new PRV. Filled exmpansion tank to 12 psi as indicated on tank. Filled boiler and ran water though it for a bit. Closed drain and filled it. Pressure rose to 30 psi. and new boiler valve popped. :(

    Checked expansion tank psi again and it was 30

  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Posts: 7,486

    Checked expansion tank psi again and it was 30


    that’s cause it’s reading the boiler pressure.
    you only check the tank pressure when the boiler is at zero

    mattmia2
  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939
    edited August 17
    1. Did you close the isolation valves to the indirect tank while you were testing?

      2. What pressure is the PRV set to?

      3. Did the pressure hold at the PRV pressure value then slowly increase to 30?

    4. Or go immediately to 30 psi?

    I suspect the PRV set level is incorrect

    Or the domestic water is pressurizing g the boiler through a hole in the heat exchanger (this is why you should have the isolation valves closed when testing )

  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939

    can you provide pictures of new prv piping and TPRV?

  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50
    edited August 17

    I changed the PVR and TPRV. The paper that came with PRV said it's factory set at 15, so I left it. With the boiler drained and at zero the expansion tank reads 10psi. I shut the three valves above the tank when draining boiler. When I filled the boiler using the valve before the PVR the pressure was initially 10psi but very very slowly rose to 30 and the valve popped. For the additional isolation valve you suggested adding, this would be just for the expansion tank?

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  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939
    edited August 18

    1. ”For the additional isolation valve you suggested adding, this would be just for the expansion tank?”

    Yes, for ease of maintenance.

    2. “With the boiler drained and at zero the expansion tank reads 10psi.”

    The expansion tank pressure should be set to 15psi for 2 story house; 12psi for 1 story.

    3. Did you have the isolation valves for the indirect tank closed? (Valves above tank, shown closed in photos)

    4. Did you replace the complete PRV? The body in the new looks old like the internals were swapped.

  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50

    1. ”For the additional isolation valve you suggested adding, this would be just for the expansion tank?”

    Yes, for ease of maintenance.

    2. “With the boiler drained and at zero the expansion tank reads 10psi.”

    The expansion tank pressure should be set to 15psi for 2 story house; 12psi for 1 story.

    Added air now 15

    3. Did you have the isolation valves for the indirect tank closed? (Valves above tank, shown closed in photos)

    Yes they are both closed

    4. Did you replace the complete PRV? The body in the new looks old like the internals were swapped.

    Supply house didn't have S1156, got a B1156f. Was told the internals will swap out after cleaning. Not ideal but they swapped out easily

    Right now, the boiler off and is empty, three valves above expansion tank shut and the PRV feed valve is shut…

  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939
    edited August 18

    ok, since the HTP is isolated, the PRV must be the problem.
    Drain down the boiler

    Refill boiler and close supply valve to PRV when boiler PSI hit 15 psi.

    if boiler pressure stabilizes at 15 psi, there is a problem with PRV body and you need to change entire valve.
    (honestly, I’ve never heard of anybody swapping the internals of a PRV)

    rick in Alaska
  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50

    OK on it…. Counter help said there used to be PRV rebuild kits, but were disconnected. I hope its the PRV. Would beat the price of a tank install. (although that would take care of the shark bites). Thanks for the help!

    PC7060
  • PC7060
    PC7060 Posts: 1,939
    edited August 18

    Good luck, should be a straightforward replacement.
    PS: I think the HTP is fine.
    🙏

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Posts: 17,994

    is the stop before the prv holding? if you turn it off nd open that drain does water come out?

    tmtruett
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Posts: 17,994

    there are rebuild kits for most PRVs. finding someone that knows how to order one can be harder.

    with all that corrosion in the valve body you probably have something that isn't sealing.

    PC7060
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Posts: 17,994

    does the pressure increase if you turn it off?

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Posts: 17,994

    does the pressure increase with the boiler off?

  • tmtruett
    tmtruett Posts: 50
    edited August 18