The Hidden Hydronic Problem Nobody Checks: Water Velocity
This week's video talks about why the speed of the water in a hydronic system matters. Too slow and the air gets trapped. Too fast and you get noise and eventually leaks.
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Nice job on this case, Ray. The graphics, length of the presentation all work well.
You left us hanging at the end, :) "ask yourself one simple question, how fast is the water moving"
How about a part 2 how to determine flow velocity in hydronic systems?
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I would really appreciate it, Ray, if you would develop an ultrasonic flow meter that wholesales for about $500.
Ever try to buy one of those? They're insanely expensive but I'll bet they answer a lot of questions.
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We had what was thought to be a small case of velocity erosion on a new commercial building. Upon removing the leaking piping, it was discovered that the leak was caused by visible pipe wall erosion. Much like a riverbank looks after a heavy rain. Obvious erosion.
Over a span of a few years, small erosion issues would arise from time to time.
What we did to correct this was to add Variable Frequency Drives (VFD) to the heating systems' circulators, as well as microbubble air separators. This was done some thirty-plus years ago, and the results are still proving successful to this day.
I haven't seen much on velocity issues, but they certainly need to be considered. They are not always obvious and can cause a lot of headaches.
@RayWohlfarth Thanks for this video. It is a very helpful subject.
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HydronicsHandbook from 60+ years ago said 6 fps max as I recall. Decades later plumbing engineers told me that 3 fps is safer. There's a difference between HHW and chilled glycol mix. And between different pipe materials. Ideally one determines system curves (plural intentional) with a variable speed pump and then a fixed speed pump is chosen. Set it and forget it. If you don't want burner to cycle too often then you need some method to maintain minimum flow.
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Too much velocity can also be a problem:
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