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Radiators may need flushing..or?

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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,762

    does the thermostat control a separate cooling system or is it just controlling the boiler?

    if it is just the boiler either is ok, all selecting 2 will do is lock out the cooling controls.

  • tmw
    tmw Member Posts: 88

    Just the boiler. and yes, I had a feeling either setting was OK. thanks

    boiler has basic SNF done every season by me and had the burner replaced a few seasons ago.

    don't know how to check to see if it's underfired. will need to read a bit..

  • tmw
    tmw Member Posts: 88

    A few pics. Pressure setting was when Steamhead was here 15 yrs. ago.

    IMG_6525.jpg IMG_6526.jpg IMG_6527.jpg IMG_6528.jpg
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,762
    edited March 13

    you need a good oil burner tech to service it.

    who tuned the burner when it was replaced?

    it could be underfired because it is out of adjustment and not burning completely or because the the boiler is sooted and not moving the heat in to the water or because parts that are worn or out of adjustment aren't causing it to atomize enough oil.

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,497
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  • tmw
    tmw Member Posts: 88

    Steamhead: Thanks

    mattmia2: my local boiler guy tuned it after he replaced the burner

    "it could be underfired because it is out of adjustment and not burning completely or because the the boiler is sooted and not moving the heat in to the water or because parts that are worn or out of adjustment aren't causing it to atomize enough oil."

    Understood.

  • tmw
    tmw Member Posts: 88

    Forgot to ask: why is less (3) cph more helpful than 5 cph? seems counterintuitive

  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 27,367

    You are trying to strike a balance between how long it takes the radiation to heat up and cool off feeling the temperature variation in the space.

    Steam systems take a while to warm up once the thermostat calls for them — five to ten minutes isn't unusual for the radiators to start to give off heat — but they also take a while for the radiators to stop heating after the thermostat is satisfied. This give you the wonderful even heat of steam as against the on again off again of forced air. But it also means that the boiler doesn't have to fire as often — hence fewer cycles per hour will give more comfortable and efficient results (any heating system is more efficient when it is running steadily instead of constantly turning on and off).

    On systems controlled by cycles per hour — which is most modern digital thermostats — somewhere between 1 and 3 cycles per hour seems to work best.

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,762

    was the thermostat changed between when it was working well and now? it is possible the firmware somehow factory reset but if it is the same stat it is more likely something else changed.

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,497

    Thermal mass. Think of cooking in a skillet: if your skillet is stamped steel it heats up quickly but cools off quickly when you turn the burner off. But it it's cast-iron, it takes a bit to heat up, but retains its heat longer after you turn off the burner. Cast-iron has more thermal mass than steel.

    Your steam system is largely cast-iron, whereas scorched-air is mostly steel.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • tmw
    tmw Member Posts: 88

    Great and understandable answers, thanks guys.

    T-stat is the same.

    And I just checked my burner pressure and it's still where Frank and Gordo set it all those years ago, 140. I'll be de-sooting in May.

  • Captain Who
    Captain Who Member Posts: 883

    How the heck did it ever work properly set at 5 cycles per hour? Anybody? Is it possible it got reset to factory default at some point and you were not aware of it?

  • tmw
    tmw Member Posts: 88

    Possibly when I needed to change batteries?

  • Captain Who
    Captain Who Member Posts: 883

    Honeywell should have their act together. That would be a very annoying feature for all of your configuration settings to revert to factory defaults in the event of power loss. I know my White Rodgers does not do that.

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,789

    cycles per hour isn’t actually cycles per hour I think.

    It’s just a different way to say “swing”

    No thermostat is going to do more cycles if the temperature is above the setpoint.

    And no thermostat is going to delay turning on the boiler if it’s below the setpoint.

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    tmw
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,762

    sometimes things happen that cause the firmware to factory reset like esd or an overvoltage from a nearby lightning strike or the power getting interrupted just the right way to corrupt the eeprom or someone accidentally holding the right set of buttons to trigger the reset trap.

  • tmw
    tmw Member Posts: 88

    "Honeywell should have their act together. That would be a very annoying feature for all of your configuration settings to revert to factory defaults in the event of power loss. I know my White Rodgers does not do that"

    Please….as I said, possibly, not probably

    "sometimes things happen that cause the firmware to factory reset like esd or an overvoltage from a nearby lightning strike or the power getting interrupted just the right way to corrupt the eeprom or someone accidentally holding the right set of buttons to trigger the reset trap."

    This is actually quite plausible. I am out of power with annoying regularity. Isolated mountain top location..My 20KW Generac standby logs over 100 hours of use each year. In fact it will be getting a top end rebuild this month. We are also subject to the occasional power surge. Had one last week in that tripped 3 breakers and blew a few lightbulbs..

  • Captain Who
    Captain Who Member Posts: 883

    Yeah, no, I was just musing or thinking out loud that it is probably not the case. Sorry I shared it.

    Is your thermostat getting power from the 24VAC transformer? If it is only battery powered then it wouldn't be affected by power surges. Sorry if that is also obvious. Just thinking out loud again.

    tmw
  • tmw
    tmw Member Posts: 88

    "Is your thermostat getting power from the 24VAC transformer? If it is only battery powered then it wouldn't be affected by power surges. Sorry if that is also obvious. Just thinking out loud again".

    And now I am laughing at how ridiculous I am! Of course it would not be affected by a surge! Ah, the joys of aging…