why can't I weld copper?
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I've used 15% silphos to repair burst convector coils many times. Gotta chew the fins away to get in to the split sometimes. Also repaired a pinhole in a steam main, but it took some 55% to wet the steel before I could fill with the 15%.
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If you scuff just around the pin hole, and you add a tiny bit of flux right at the hole, you can usually blob some solder and stop the leak. This of course is a temporary solution but will buy you time, but to answer your question, you need the right brazing rod. I still wouldn't trust it - one pin hole often means there's another close by.
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That'll be up to you to figure out. Most plumbing/HVAC guys can braze up a pinhole pretty easily, and any decent TIG welder can weld copper.
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what are you trying to accomplish?
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sems like a flare union would be the obvious choice.
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As far as I recall brazing is allowed for buried pipe soft soldering isn't.
A flare works but a pack joint or similar coupler would probably be the first choice most would make.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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what type copper, how old, what’s in the tube, pressure?
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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As far as brazing copper it's done all the time especially in refrigeration you can just about fix anything if you can get to the leak. Coils are tough to repair first you have to cut the fins off and the tubing is usually very thin so too much heat and it will disappear in a hurry.
As far as using it on water it will work but I don't know if brazing rod is lead free.
Does solder have to be sanitation approved?
And as @GroundUp up mentioned you can tig copper.
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This Blockade is a great product for patching or loose joints. A lot less $$ compared to silver bearing rods.
Low melt point, caps nicely.
Nothing about NSF however if it is potable water.
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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If your question is, "why is it prohibited" and not, "is it possible"? The answer is a contamination concern. On a water main, underground, a pin hole is what the backflow people call aspiration. Aspiration on a pipe can cause the venturi affect and with flow changes, turn a pinhole into a suction port (very basic description) and draw ground water into domestic main causing contamination. For a long time soldering underground at all was prohibited (not so anymore I believe) and brazing was supposed to be inspected (dont think so anymore either). With flare unions and water service locking compression fittings, its literally never necessary. I have had to braze repairs on soft copper that supplied gas lamps, but thats fuel code, not plumbing, dont think its at all addressed in the mechanical code.
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I mentioned a pack joint earlier, there's also other variations of it, all of which seem very beefy and durable.
Here's a video showing a few of them and how they work. I don't remember why I picked a pack joint over the others, but it's the only one I've used and I trusted it enough to even use it in my basement.
https://youtu.be/o434Q41khg0?si=3xR6ukKwAzWL7Y6A
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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https://youtu.be/IBxEpB4ZqRs
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I think you would need an actual venturi for any flow to be pulled into a pipe or tube under pressure?
The venturi creates a low pressure zone, this is how a carburetor works, the soap nozzle on your pressure washer, or your aquarium vacuum.
Backflow or backsiphonage would be need to create a negative pressure to pull water in. Which could be possible with a broken main or large fire hydrant draw up stream.
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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I think solder underground is correctly prohibited. But I bet SuperGirl can find countless examples with her xray vision. I've come across them numerous times. I also think that there's gazillions of leaking solder connections underground since I've come across those too.
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silly question
Did you get all the water out!
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that might be the main reason not to solder underground
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