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Loud hissing from nearly all radiators during this cold spell

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  • dabrakeman
    dabrakeman Member Posts: 1,001

    Definitely do your sizing calculations just to know what you are working with and how to tailor expectations. Two cups of coffee in the morning and a cheat sheet like the one attached and you can do it yourself, no need to pay anyone. Just total up all the sqft calculations for each radiator and compare it to the rated sqft on the boiler. Don't worry about btu's.

    Day_Tripper
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,743
    edited January 28

    Great video. I did jump advance through parts of it for time, but here is what I see:

    • overall operation is fine, I see no sign of carryover/surging (as evidenced by your relatively steady waterline
    • Your Gorton #1 is definitely busted. Replace it. I like Maid O Mist because they are cheaper and basically the same, but they both fail (as evidenced by your video). Interestingly, people here crap on MoM all the time because their seams aren't soldered like Gorton is, and here is a soldered Gorton that doesn't even look old clearly split. I shop at supplyhouse.com
    • Your Gorton #2 seems to also be leaking at .5psi and it should probably be replaced. You could take it down and try to shake it or smack it in hopes of dislodging something inside that is preventing it closing but I have not had success with this.
    • These vents leaking is not causing you any trouble upstairs. But it causes the loss of water from your system and that is something you should address to prevent excess corrosion of your boiler.

    PS: Note that everything leaks more with higher pressure. You might consider avoiding thermostat setbacks so that your pressure is kept to a minimum (I assume your system sees lower pressure during normal operation and only goes higher when you bump up the thermostat as you did for this video)

    For comparison, I have a low pressure switch tied to a timer relay that interrupts all my calls for heat when my pressure gets to about 1/4 psi. This makes it take a long time to recover from a temperature setback of course, but the result is very low pressure and wasted fuel (I consider fuel that goes into pressurizing a steam system to be wasted, even though it somewhat isn't)

    If my system were running at 2psi I'd probably have leaks all over the place LOL

    To answer your notes above:

    3. Your #1 vent for sure is hissing because steam is escaping through that leak in the seam
    4. There are two types of steam vent: Those that have failed, and those that haven't failed yet

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  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,743

    if you keep your temp at 71 how high does your pressure get during the call for heat?

    MoM and Gorton both fail. They all fail. You might see if supply house will take that split one back at least

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  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,743

    if it works, it works!

    Call supplyhouse and see what they say but maybe come at them a bit lighter than above lol they are good people

    You may find on a normal call for heat that you see almost no pressure

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  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,350

    Why did his vent(s) fail in only 6 months?

    My Gorton's are all going on 13 years now and I haven't had one fail out of 16. That can't just be luck?

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

    Day_Tripper
  • Captain Who
    Captain Who Member Posts: 877
    edited January 28

    I watched the end of your video. That pressuretrol calibration isn't awful. It cut-out at 1.8 and cut-in at 0.8. So differential is accurate at least. When you don't have leaking vents the time it takes to go from 1.5 to 1.8 will be a few seconds and it will not be so quick to go from 1.8 to 0.8.

    Your Gorton #2 is hissing under pressure so that will have to maybe be cleaned with vinegar and if that doesn't fix it you'll have to replace. 3 Gorton #1 are pretty close to one Gorton #2. You could do an antler of 3 Gorton #1. If one goes bad it isn't such a huge $$$ hit.

    PS: Nice thread takeover 😃

    Day_Tripper
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,743

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    Day_Tripper
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,743

    I think it can be luck. I and many others had Gorton #1's arrive DOA

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  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,743

    Oh and I forgot why I asked you that. So with almost no pressure during a normal call for heat, you don't need to set up some kind of time delay system.

    I set it up for mine because I didn't want to have any pressure buildup during a recovery from a thermometer setback.

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    Day_Tripper
  • Captain Who
    Captain Who Member Posts: 877
    edited January 28

    Just unscrew that street elbow maybe 45 deg, then put one holdback wrench on the street elbow and the other wrench (use a large adjustable) on the Gorton and unscrew it. Then reverse the procedure with the new one, or design an antler tree for 3 #1's.

    Day_Tripper
  • Goodhap
    Goodhap Member Posts: 36

    Thanks for sharing this. Very similar to our situation, though ours does get to higher PSI. And our vents in the basement don't hiss or leak at all. Instead, the intake valves on the rads hiss and leak, and the air vents hiss like crazy (this morning was wild again).

    (PS, I am impressed with the cleanliness of your boiler water)

    Day_Tripper
  • Goodhap
    Goodhap Member Posts: 36

    Taking back the thread, haha!

    Is the pressuretol supposed to shut off the boiler when the PSI exceeds what the pressuretol is set to? If so, ours is definitely not working, as the pressurtol is set at like .5 and our PSI frequently gets up to 2-2.5.

  • Goodhap
    Goodhap Member Posts: 36

    I'll also note that we've been keeping our system consistently at 68, and we still get intermittent very loud hissing. This morning was especially bad, woke us up and didn't stop for like an hour. Pretty much the entire night, I could hear low level hissing from the bathroom radiator.

  • Goodhap
    Goodhap Member Posts: 36

    Mine refills a lot lately too, especially lately given that an entire rad is basically pouring water out an soaking through a towell every night, but my water is still muddy!

    Day_Tripper
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,743

    the more water you add, the more brown is created in your water, including after flushing

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    Intplm.
  • BobC
    BobC Member Posts: 5,565

    Having multiple vents fail at the 6 month mark tells me something is very wrong, call supply house and see what they can do. If they can't help a call to Gorton is in order.

    My system runs at 12oz but back when it was at 2PSI the vents made only a very light hissing noise.

    Hissing vents makes me think your pressure mat be higher than you think. Maybe the pigtail is partially clogged? Your pressure gauge might be lying, the 30# gauge is pretty useless - think about adding a 0-3 gauge so you can see what is really going on. Pressure sb kept under 2PSI.

    Bob

    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 90,000 BTU, Single pipe steam
    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in
    3PSI gauge
  • Goodhap
    Goodhap Member Posts: 36

    How can I get clean water again then? It seems like an impossible battle!

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,743

    First, you don't really need clean water. It's fine to let it get a little brown. Toward the end of the heating season you can add a couple gallons and flush one out to reduce sediment buildup.

    But the key is to increase the pH of the boiler water. See my video:

    https://youtu.be/Bx8NryCUkng

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    KC_JonesDay_Tripper
  • Captain Who
    Captain Who Member Posts: 877
    edited January 29

    Everyone's system is different when there is a whole spectrum of installation qualities out there. Don't let someone tell you a one size fits all answer regarding how brown visually your water can be. Measuring TSS (total suspended solids) isn't easy so watch your sight glass. My system is so sensitive to water quality that I have put an engineering scale on my sight glass and I can quantify the surge up and down. Right now it is 1/4 in. at the beginning of steaming settling down later in the steaming cycle to maybe only 1/8 in. This is two weeks after draining and flushing and refilling with pre-boiled and re-bottled steam distilled water treated with Rectorseal 8-way. YMMV.

  • AdmiralYoda
    AdmiralYoda Member Posts: 793

    The most important consideration for having clean water is to stop adding fresh water! Fresh water has plenty of oxygen which causes corrosion and makes rusty/muddy water. It sounds counterintuitive but the more clean water you add, the dirtier your boiler will be.

    Find and fix those leaks! Before I knew better I had a leaky radiator. It was on the top side between sections so it only leaked steam so I didn't really care as it didn't make a mess. During the cold spells I was adding a couple gallons of makeup water weekly. I thought this was normal. I always had muddy water no matter how often I flushed it.

    I fixed that radiator and now I only have to add makeup water once or twice per season!

    RectorSeal 8-way also helps considerably. It has some magic chemicals in there but it is really good at adjusting the pH of the water. A pH of around 10 will essentially stop corrosion inside the boiler so the water stays clean much longer.

    Every now and then I drain a bit out of the boiler drain and float LWCO and it comes out completely clean. No sediment at all.

    Just be aware that the directions on the 8-way are more for commercial boilers. Use 0.75-1oz per gallon of water in your boiler. The 8-way will also do some cleaning so you may find your boiler water getting cloudy. That is all the scale and junk that has built up over time. After the first year or two of using 8-way in my boiler it stays nice and clean and clear.

    ethicalpaul
  • Captain Who
    Captain Who Member Posts: 877
    edited January 29

    Good points, but also carbonic acid created in steam mains and dry returns (mine are brass though which is good) by the constant exposure of basically distilled water to air, which has a high affinity to absorbing CO2 which leads to carbonic acid causes corrosion of black iron pipes on the interior. I posted this elsewhere but take a look at this from my 16 ft. rotted steam main replacement job I did. Where did this rusted material go to? I think we all know the answer to that.

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