Should I choose the local guys or the HH guy who's >30 min away for my boiler replacement?
I just want someone who will be responsive if I have issues. One guy is HH listed, and while I trust he'd do a good job, he's not around the corner if I need help, and I live in a high traffic area that can be a PITA during rush hours. The locals are more old school, they sent a guy who really didn't know his stuff for checking out the situation, and photographed it for the real techs. He asked if I had bled the steam radiators! But they've been here forever, I used them decades ago, the owner was a kid in his 20s then working for his dad, who has since retired but still advises. But when Dad came years ago about another system, he didn't do an EDR, he just wanted to install the same size boiler, which seemed a red flag to me. I chose someone else, who then went out of business!
OTOH the biggest local heating supply house recommended them when I asked for a 'steam whisperer'. They do a lot of work in an area with lots of steam. The HH guy is almost 30% more, but that's not a deal killer for me. I just want the pain to end! Unfortunately I've had multiple experiences with heat guys being undependable, so I want to get this right, if that's possible.
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My honest answer starts with a question. How many problems are you planning on having? If you get a poor install that increases the chances of needing something. I shouldn't talk about dependability of my own system, lets just say it's been good (knock on wood). A cast iron steam boiler has very little that could actually go wrong with it, I personally would not factor in how far away the company was, I'd want the best install my money could buy because that will end up being the most important part. If some of the local are outright telling you things that you know are wrong, honestly, why even think about them? It won't get better when they start turning wrenches.
I'm not sure which HH contractor you are talking about so I can't comment directly on that. I can say, in my area, there is no one I would trust to walk into my house….ever. That's why I ended up doing my own. More recently I assisted with picking a contractor for a dual boiler replacement in a historic mansion owned by the Historical Society (I'm on the board). We hired someone from another state, the local "talent" was so poor. We aren't worried about response times, we are worried about proper install and dependability.
Choose wisely.
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30 minutes is nothing
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the 2 miles between my house and the expressway is 30 minutes most of the time.
but go with the person that knows what they are doing, it is easy to get steam wrong if you don't understand it and it will never work right until you re-do the parts that are wrong. if something breaks and there isn't water on the floor, those repairs are much easier than piping a new boiler correctly.
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The last install was by someone who by all accounts was totally qualified, and yet I was left high and dry. Fool me once! And sorry, but distance does matter. I've been told by numerous qualified techs that travel time to me is too far for them to take the job. I get it, who would want to travel 2-3 hrs round trip for a service call? I have friends in the mountains that have a huge problem getting mechanical work done.
It's extremely hard to be a knowledgeable consumer of this stuff. I am a pretty good DIY, and understand the system, but a full install is beyond me.
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respectfully you first said 30+ minutes. To that I say again, “that’s nothing”
But then you changed it to 2-3 hours.
Now regarding DIY you may be underestimating yourself. I installed my own boiler and I’m a wimpy computer programmer who had zero prior pipefitting experience
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@ethicalpaul said: I installed my own boiler and I’m a wimpy computer programmer who had zero prior pipefitting experience.
I have to agree with Paul on this. especially the WIMPY part. But all joking aside, Paul did a great job with his Beautiful Assistant (See profile Pic). Paul had made a study of his residential boiler and has ended up with some really informative videos.
You may be able to handle your new boiler install with his help over video chat of some type. You will need to get friendly with the local supply house and purchase the boiler from them in order to get someone there to help with all the fittings you will need for the install.
I wouldn't mind helping you either.
Sometimes if you want something done right , you got to do it yourself.
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If you find a supplier that sells Crown Boiler (By Velocity Boiler Works in Philadelphia) they have a piping KIT that has all the pipe fittings and nipples you need to install that boiler properly. Just order the kit and put the pieces together like an Erector Set® or LEGO® project. Easier than you think.
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After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?
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Look, for all sorts of reasons I'm not going to DIY this. But you sort of are inadvertently arguing for the local heating guy. I mean if you think I can do a decent job if I study up, then a guy who's been doing it for at least 25 years has to be far better than that at baseline, right? And the local supply house guys know who the clowns are, they'd not recommend them, I don't think, unless they thought they knew their stuff at least decently.
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I'm cynical because of the experience I described of hiring a specialist and it going south AND him not being around to make it right. Some things you can't control, but you have to try your best to make good decisions.
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I guess the answer is pick the best contractor that is willing to come to your home to do the job. If you are out if their service radius it seems that they are off the list of possible contractors.
Maybe get references and view some of their steam work.
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You hire the person most qualified and who you know for sure he has done good jobs in the past with satisfied customers.
If he is that good at what he does he won't have to visit you every week 😁
I'm talking from experience with house roof...
I did once one mistake and had to pay twice for fixing the problem previous guy caused AND new materials...
I'm done with incompetents 😑
Bad to the Bone
Song by George Thorogood & The Destroyers ‧ 1982
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Suppliers tend to recommend their local contractor customers because that’s good for the supplier’s business. But consider this: The local contractor sent you an untrained worker who thinks you have to manually vent a steam system. If the contractor is that good he would never send you someone who would say (and believe) that.
Hire the knowledgeable contractor. He will do it once, and do it right. Knowledge is worth more than geography.Retired and loving it.7 -
no, that’s not at all what I’m arguing. Time and again I have seen with my own eyes the work that “some local guy” does, even the licensed ones!!
They don’t even open the manual and they seemingly purposely do everything wrong. And they ALWAYS say “I’ve been doing this for 30 years, never had a complaint”
The reason I was able to succeed was because I cared and because I followed the instructions. And I observed what not to do from those homeowners who came to this forum asking for help after the fact.
I’m warning you right now because I care about you as a fellow human—do not go with some local guy over someone whose work can be vouched for who is a little farther away
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Once the boiler is correctly installed, emergency troubleshooting is mostly straightforward. Bad gas control, bad ignition module, bad transformer, bad flame sensor.... There is really not that much to go wrong with a properly installed steam boiler. Things like proper maintenance, and cleaning, which are very important, can always be scheduled. To me, it's a no-brainer. I would really recommend stay away from a company that recommends bleeding steam radiators. That's like a cook telling you to put red food coloring into a recipe, to make it look blue.
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I agree with using the contractor that knows his stuff. Get it done the right way the first time. Doing annual maintenance might be handled from the local guy?
We regularly charge for travel time for service and installs. The majority of our business is local, but we certainly drive thirty or more minutes to job sites. We are up front with the added cost to drive to and from jobsites. I am not trying to cause a debate, but should I (as the owner) take a hit financially to take care of job an hour away? For the record., my employees get paid to drive to and from the job.
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Most times the boiler comes ready to go with the pressure controls, probe LWCO, gas valve, etc already installed. The magic is in the proper sizing of the boiler and the correct piping, like the header configuration, proper pipe sizing and the hartford loop.
Go with a HH guy and you are likely guaranteed to have it installed correctly to at least the minimum manufacturers recommendations and probably even better.
Any problem that arises will not be due to the install it will be due to the pre-mature failure of a device on the boiler that may or may not ever happen. Any local HVAC tech should be handle that.
Go with the local people and you are going to get the "I've been doing it this way for 50 years" install. The manual will never get read and it would be a miracle if it is installed even close to correctly. When the problems arise they will be due to the installation and you'll be running around in circles. And your boiler will probably be even more oversized and you'll be fighting short cycling and higher fuel costs for the next 30 years.
If the HH person says they will come….let them do it. For general maintenance or emergency repairs let the locals do it.
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i don't know about any local tech, i was watching a video last night of a tech that was still wanting to replace the control board even after he found a a pressure switch filled with condensate and drained it out and the furnace started firing again. he made the video and presumably thought he was doing it right.
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This might have been said above so forgive me. Look at it this way. It's easier and less expensive for the local heat guy to service a well installed steam system than it is for a true steam expert to fix a botched system. This has been my experience
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@DanHolohan says above "Knowledge is worth more that geography",really says it all.
I work with a company that takes calls from far away distances that you mention. The reason, we have a reputation for doing things right. And we continue to do the right thing for our customers. its about maintaining a good reputation.
I would go with the most knowledgable company. And you say you are a doityourselfer. Once the new system is up and running, you can do some of the necessary repairs. With the right install/installer there won't be many repairs, or, anything for you to do..
One other thing. On this site there is a book you can purchase called "We got steam heat" as a DIY'er I think you will enjoy it.
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