Replacement Hydronic system, cost of installation
I am replacing a single zone Weil Mclain VHE6 boiler. The system is radiators. I had an estimate from a local contractor which I term ridiculous but would like to get others opinion.
Estimate was for a Weil Mclain Evergreen 155. I priced it and all other needed parts conservatively at around $6500. The estimate was for $21,000 meaning the labor was over $15000. This is NOT a complicated installation, and it was quoted it would take 1 day. This seems like a rip-off price. Your opinion?
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Contractors have many other expenses besides materials and labor; there is considerable overhead in the form of business premises, trucks, tools, stock, insurance, continuing education, undercompensated warranty work, etc. Usually much of the overhead is built into the markup on the wholesale cost of materials.
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Just curious about the source of that attachment. Weil Mclain installation.... Those sounds like a bunch of made up numbers. Maybe by some guy with a keyboard. As mentioned above, your best bet is to get a few quotes
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@dsc3507 , did you read the post that told you to remove the pricing info?
All Steamed Up, Inc.
Towson, MD, USA
Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
Oil & Gas Burner Service
Consulting1 -
Reasonable people can disagree.
I would like to opine that the prohibition against posting pricing has an unintended consequence.
If I was permitted to post an invoice I recently paid, a very well-regarded local professional would no longer be able to mark-up his parts by 833% like he did to me.
My industry places a premium on price discovery, transparency, and reporting. It is of paramount importance, and incorporated into our rules. It's the transparency of pricing that prevents fixing, not the obfuscation of it.
Notwithstanding, this burger is totally worth $21.99 in my book and you're not pulling that off at home for any less.
Have a nice night.
When you see hoofprints think Zebras not Horses
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Wikipedia is your source for pricing info?
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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Why experts get paid more….
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A good friend shared this story recently; a nice story about effort vs. skill – a good reminder that in many areas of work/life time and outcome aren’t always aligned; especially in the design & technology space…
A giant ship’s engine failed. The ship’s owners tried one ‘professional’ after another but none of them could figure out how to fix the broken engine.
Then they brought in a man who had been fixing ships since he was young.
He carried a large bag of tools with him and when he arrived immediately went to work. He inspected the engine very carefully, top to bottom.Two of the ship’s owners were there watching this man, hoping he would know what to do. After looking things over, the old man reached into his bag and pulled out a small hammer. He gently tapped something. Instantly, the engine lurched into life. He carefully put his hammer away and the engine was fixed!!!
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A week later, the owners received an invoice from the old man for $10,000.
What?! the owners exclaimed. “He hardly did anything..!!!”.
So they wrote to the man; “Please send us an itemised invoice.”
The man sent an invoice that read:
Tapping with a hammer………………….. $2.00
Knowing where to tap…………………….. $9,998.00
Effort is important but experience and knowing where to direct that effort makes all the difference.
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@tonynap , our moderator @Erin Holohan Haskell makes the rules. If you have a problem, discuss it with her.
All Steamed Up, Inc.
Towson, MD, USA
Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
Oil & Gas Burner Service
Consulting1 -
I'll take 3 of those $751 units :)
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I have no problem with the rules of the forum.
I'm just stating my opinion that transparency and price discovery help prevent price fixing, which is the stated goal of the policy.
By posting actual prices, someone could make a more informed decision whether to pay 21.99 for a burger.
For arguments sake, the actual prices of the burger materials at my local Stop and Shop:
4.89 One-half pound angus beef
2.36 One slice Butchers Craft thick sliced naturally smoked bacon
1.16 One brioche hamburger roll
0.63 One tomato slice
0.43 One slice NY Sharp Cheddar
0.38 One onion ring
0.21 One lettuce leaf.I would feel a lot better about paying 22 dollars now that I know it costs 10 in burger materials and not 2.
That's all I'm trying to say, and thought I was being polite and respectful doing it. Sorry if you took offense.
When you see hoofprints think Zebras not Horses
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@tonynap , you seem to be unaware of the distinction between a consumer product — which is available almost anywhere in the county and has a definite central supply — and a service. Service and skilled technician costs vary wildly — by at least 5 to 1 — even in short distances, never mind nationwide, and it would be grossly unfair to a tech. in, say New York City or the San Francisco Bay area to have his or her rates compared to the rates in, say. central Iowa. If we published costs on a site like this (and there are a number of similar ones with similar rules) we would always have people in a high cost area complaining that they were being overcharged.
We have, incidentally, a similar problem with energy costs — even those those are publicly available. People don't seem to understand that electricity or fuel may have rather different costs in different areas.
Br. Jamie, osb
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The Evergreen, and all heating appliances, is a carefully, manufactured, engineered and qaulity-controlled product. It is designed, built, assembled and tested under very stringent standards. They will all perform in a predictable manner. They are a given.
The installation is the unknown, unpredictable, question mark. Is this the installer's second time doing this? Does he even have any licenses, training, certifications? Or, does he have 20 years installing experience and numerous licenses and certifications, insurance, et al?
In most every case, the best installers and companies are going to have greater expenses, expertise, licenses and Certifications. They also can command top dollar. Expect to pay more than what you "think" is a ridiculous and outrageous quote.
Doesn't the professional you are in work that way too? Mad Dog
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