Welcome! Here are the website rules, as well as some tips for using this forum.
Need to contact us? Visit https://heatinghelp.com/contact-us/.
Click here to Find a Contractor in your area.
If our community has helped you, please consider making a contribution to support this website. Thanks!

Additional Low Water Cutoff

Options

I have a Weil-McLain EG-40, which has one probe type LWCO.

Dan’s book recommends installing an extra LWCO.

How can an extra LWCO be installed if there’s only 1 hole on the side of the boiler for the probe ?

Am just a homeowner, and not sure if there are other probe holes available .

Comments

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,167

    I don't recall seeing that recommendation, but I could have missed or forgotten it. Can you site the page number?

    In my opinion, and apparently in the opinion of all the residential steam boiler manufacturers, one probe-style LWCO is sufficiently able to protect your home.

    Now I would strongly recommend to have a look at the boiler at least weekly during the heating season to keep the water level topped up and to be aware of the water usage over time or any other anomalies, but I can say for sure my LWCO is not my first line of defense…my eyes are.

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    Free NJ and remote steam advice: https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/new-jersey-steam-help/
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • dfavoriten
    dfavoriten Member Posts: 17

    I bought this book : https://a.co/d/3gutxMI

    Pages 130 to 131 says this :

    When it comes to steam, I’m a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy.  And although it’s not required by code, I think that every steam boiler should have two low-water cutoffs, preferably a float-type and a probe-type.  They should be in different places on your boiler.  This doubles your protection, and since low-water cutoffs are much cheaper than boilers, it makes sense.  They can also save your life.  Besides, the cost of that second low-water cutoff disappears in the price of the job when you’re replacing your old boiler.  Please consider it. 

    Mad Dog_2leonz
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,167

    I think most residential boilers today probably don't have the additional tappings for a float type LWCO to be added, or if they do maybe they are hidden under the jacket somewhere. The really good installers who post their installs here and on youtube don't seem to be adding a second LWCO.

    I think there might be a float-style LWCO that you can add to the gauge glass tappings if you really really want to, but to reiterate, I wouldn't see the need for that.

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    Free NJ and remote steam advice: https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/new-jersey-steam-help/
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 26,838

    Not required for smaller residential boilers. I'm not sure what the firing rate cutoff is to require a second LWCO. A very common setup is a float type connected to the sight glass — not a big deal — which also trips the autofeeder if you have one, and a second, probe type, set at the "that really is too low" level — which, on a commercial boiler, is a manual reset type.

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,205

    Many EG/EGH boilers have "try-cock" tappings next to the sight glass. We've used the lower try-cock tapping for the primary LWCO, and the "usual" tapping for the secondary.

    I don't favor float-type LWCOs since folks don't blow them down.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    ethicalpaul
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,591

    Any steam boiler can use a MM #67 which comes with the fittings needed to put it on a gauge glass.

    Or you can add a probe type cutoff. Hydrolevel makes a probe type with fittings to mount on a gauge glass as well if no other tapping's are available

    I am with @ethicalpaul on this. I think 1 cut off is ok with the HO checking the water level every few days and looking for leaks and having an idea about how much water is being added.

    2 cutoffs may be a good idea for an apartment building or home without anyone to regularly check the boiler and the water level along with a water feeder.

    In some areas two low water cutoffs may be required for a commercial building or any boiler above 200,000 btu input but local codes can vary. Usually, one is auto reset and 1 is manual reset.

    ethicalpaul
  • HydronicMike
    HydronicMike Member Posts: 244
    image.png

    Here’s 2

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,205

    I would have used the tapping below the gauge/pressuretrol manifold for one of them. Less piping and you don't have to blow it down.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    EBEBRATT-Ed
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,454

    Kind of pricey. If you are really interested.

    https://www.supplyhouse.com/Mcdonnell-Miller-149400-67-Float-Type-Low-Water-Cut-off-Steam

    https://www.supplyhouse.com/Mcdonnell-Miller-149400-67-Float-Type-Low-Water-Cut-off-Steam

    image.png image.png
    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • RTW
    RTW Member Posts: 259

    I would approach this from another view: This reference below is from a prior posting on HeatingHelp.com

    Q: What happens if I don’t use a Hartford Loop?

    A: Nowadays, your low-water cutoff should protect the boiler against a sudden loss of water, but if you have a gravity-return system, you really should also have a Hartford Loop. A Hartford Loop is the cheapest insurance you can buy to back up that low-water cutoff should a return rupture and water suddenly leave the boiler. Low-water cutoffs are great, but believe it or not, there are a few out there that don’t get blown-down once a week. Really!

    Here is link to entire article that is self evident'

    A Hartford Loop Q & A

    Regards

    RTW

  • leonz
    leonz Member Posts: 1,760
    edited December 26

    The XYLEM/Bell and Gossett information I have recommends using 2 LWCO's-The McDonnell and Miller RB-RB-122-E for systems of 400,000 BTU or greater.

    In my case and my small coal stoker boiler being 120,000 BTU the second RB-122-E will also be wired in series as the first and second defense to protect the hot water boiler. A longer run of 2 BX cables would need to be run from the first low water cut off to the second low water cut off with two BX cable elbows and then back to my Honeywell L8124L Triple Aquastat.

    The RB-122-E is a very small self cleaning probe type low water cut off that spins to clean itself with an LED bulb and manual reset test button.

    Adding a second self cleaning RB-122-E is on the to do list for my stoker boiler this year as well as buying a spare blower and Intermatic timer motor and installing a domestic. hot water bladder tank to protect the hot water piping.

    I have a spare tapping on the flue breech end of the kaa-4-1 coal stoker I will use to wire in the second RB-122-E low water cut off in series to be the first and second method to completely cut the 110 volt power to the boiler.

    Perhaps I am speaking out of turn here; but if the Hartford loop piping is large enough a T could be added below the safe water level of the steam boiler to accept the RB-122-E probe type of low water cut off in the Hartford loop to offer a second low water cut off protection system if a blow down type low water cut off is not used?

    If an RB-122-E is used they want you to use sealing tape on the threads.

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,409

    When I have a client whose boiler dry-fired, they always go for the back up LWCO. Mad Dog

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,167

    A Hartford Loop is the cheapest insurance you can buy to back up that low-water cutoff should a return rupture and water suddenly leave the boiler.

    I don't know about insurance, but it's the cheapest 1 hour delay between the return rupture and the boiler boiling all remaining water out. In short, it is next to useless.

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    Free NJ and remote steam advice: https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/new-jersey-steam-help/
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,205

    It was the best they had in the early 20th century, and still has value today. Besides, manufacturers and Codes require it.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    Mad Dog_2
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,167

    I’m just saying don’t count on it, and be aware of how little it does for you. There are lots of obsolete laws and codes out there, I would guess. Just because it’s mandated by some codes doesn’t make it save anyone.

    Honestly I have a hard time understanding how it helped anyone ever.

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    Free NJ and remote steam advice: https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/new-jersey-steam-help/
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,591
  • RTW
    RTW Member Posts: 259

    Here is an article specific to the Hartford Loop, while not perfect, it did buy time to discover any leaks and fix issues before a boiler meltdown

    By Dan Holohan

    The Hartford Loop

    Regards,

    RTW

    Mad Dog_2
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,409

    If it saves one boiler from dry firing, splitting and possibly setting a house on fire 🔥, its done its job. Mad Dog

    RTW
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,409

    The Belimo Valves work perfectly. Mad Dog

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,591

    Some will say the HL does nothing.

    But don't forget this was in the days of coal firing, no low water cutoffs, no burner to shut off, no pressure controls.

    All you had was your eyes and ears, a safety valve and a fusible plug to melt and a HL

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,591

    Hartford Steam Boiler invented the HL and they insured boilers so they must have though it worked. I don't think they would have mandated it for no reason.

    Mad Dog_2leonz
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,409
    edited December 27

    The Hartford Loop is a Simple Dam..with no moving parts. The Deadmen were no dummies. They didn't do anything willy nilly...they thought deeply about things. Insurance companies were always about minimizing their exposure and keep those premiums rolling in...that hasnt changed. Mad Dog

    leonz
  • RTW
    RTW Member Posts: 259

    Some things in the analogue world have stood the test of time; steam is one of them including the HL

    Happy Holidays

    Regards

    RTW

    Mad Dog_2
  • leonz
    leonz Member Posts: 1,760

    The same goes for my Honeywell L8124L triple aquastat and the L6006 aquastat, zero issues in 9 years and no sleepless nights.

    Mad Dog_2
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,167

    Sorry guys but there is no data here, that's OK, I'm not going to convince anyone, but the fact is that the Hartford Loop doesn't do anything other than possibly postpone a dry fire by however long it takes the boiler to steam out its water. No one can argue against that fact.

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    Free NJ and remote steam advice: https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/new-jersey-steam-help/
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,591

    @ethicalpaul

    I agree with some of what you are saying but in the late 1800s there were no LWCO. They didn't come about until the oil burner was invented which was around 1920 it was put into common use. You had 0 protection against a low water condition and they blew up a lot of boilers.

    The operators' eyes and ears and the HL and fusible plug to melt and dump water on the coal fire as a last resort

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,167

    How did they blow up? Why were so many returns spontaneously catastrophically falling apart?

    Every return I have seen leaking (admittedly only a handful) is weeping, not gushing.

    This history sounds very implausible to me, sorry!

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    Free NJ and remote steam advice: https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/new-jersey-steam-help/
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • RTW
    RTW Member Posts: 259

    Not sure if steam heating is taught much in trade schools today, but a good assignment for students would be to research and write a paper on the development and the effectiveness of the Hartford Loop that is still required by code today. Then, report back to this web site with links to the results, but may be wishful thinking

    Regards,

    RTW

  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,454

    Humans are experts at making bad things happen. They sunk the Titanic, didn't they claim it was unsinkable ? It did not take long to fact check that claim.

    And what average homeowner with a boiler checks the water daily ? If it was not for the modern LWCO, there probably would be many more issues.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,591

    I don't think anyone from 1920 is around to tell us what went on. So the only thing we have to go on is what we have been told.

    Look, its easy to do.

    Today I cooked a turkey among my other many talents. I had a pot of gravy on the stove (hate electric stoves) I needed to boil it and it wasn't boiling, I waited and still not go. Put the heat to it and turned away for less than a min and it boiled over and I had a mess to clean up. I may be outed from the kitchen forever!!!!

    Inattention, lack of a Hartford loop, no low water controls and Murphy's law.

    Back in the 70s I worked at an oil company. i went to this elderly ladies' house to do the yearly maintenance. A steam snowman oil fired with no low water cutoff. It's only been about 20 years since a LWCO became required on a HW boiler.

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,167
    edited 1:02AM

    Yes, the LWCO I agree is a valuable, necessary item on a steam boiler. It prevents fires and dry fires without question.

    Back in the 70s I worked at an oil company. i went to this elderly ladies' house to do the yearly maintenance. A steam snowman oil fired with no low water cutoff. It's only been about 20 years since a LWCO became required on a HW boiler.

    Was she checking the water level regularly, I have to assume? And in all those years, her wet return didn't disintegrate one day and cause her boiler to explode? 😉

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    Free NJ and remote steam advice: https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/new-jersey-steam-help/
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,591

    How Common Are Boiler Explosions Today?
    • 19 December 2025

    A boiler explosion is defined as the abrupt structural failure of a pressure vessel, typically caused by excessive internal pressure or material degradation. This failure results in the rapid release of high-energy steam and hot water, which expands violently upon rupture with immense force. The stored thermal and pressure energy is instantly converted into destructive explosive power, capable of causing significant damage. Fortunately, due to technological advancements and rigorous manufacturing requirements, the risk of a catastrophic boiler explosion in a modern residential setting is extremely low.

    The Historical Reality Versus Today’s Statistics

    The frequency of boiler explosions has seen a dramatic decrease from the industrial era to the present day. During the 19th and early 20th centuries, these incidents were a common hazard, largely due to poor material quality, lack of standardized manufacturing practices, and absent regulation. North America saw a peak where steam boiler explosions occurred at a rate of approximately one per day, claiming about two lives daily in the early 1900s. The sheer number of devastating accidents necessitated the empirical investigation and subsequent establishment of engineering safety codes.

    Today, the statistics reflect a profoundly safer reality, though incidents still occur almost exclusively in industrial or commercial settings. The United States sees an estimated 20 to 30 boiler explosions annually, with residential units rarely involved. Many reported incidents are not catastrophic shell ruptures but rather contained system failures or fuel-related combustion events within the firebox. While the destructive potential remains real, the low probability is a direct result of comprehensive safety measures designed into every modern pressure vessel.

    Primary Causes of Modern Boiler Failure

    When a modern boiler does fail violently, the mechanism is usually traced back to one of three specific technical lapses that compromise the vessel’s integrity. The most frequent cause of structural failure is a low water condition, where the water level drops below the minimum safe threshold. This exposes the boiler’s steel shell or heating surfaces to the intense heat of the burner, causing the metal to overheat rapidly and weaken. If cooler water is then suddenly introduced to the superheated components, it flashes instantly into a massive volume of steam, creating a pressure surge that the already compromised vessel cannot contain.

    A second major factor involves the failure of the pressure relief valve, which is designed as the last line of defense against over-pressurization. If the relief valve is blocked, damaged, or malfunctions, it cannot vent the building pressure when it exceeds the safe operating limit. This allows the internal force to climb unchecked until it surpasses the vessel’s design strength, leading to a rupture. A third contributing element is the long-term degradation of the boiler’s material structure, primarily through corrosion and fatigue.

    Corrosion, such as oxygen corrosion or graphitic corrosion, systematically weakens the metal components of the boiler over time. Water impurities, including chlorides and dissolved oxygen, contribute to this material thinning, often leading to holes at the waterline where the metal is constantly exposed to air and water. This sustained degradation reduces the wall thickness, making the pressure vessel highly susceptible to failure even under normal operating pressures.

    Safety Standards and Preventative Maintenance

    The current high level of boiler safety is maintained by strict external controls and required user actions. Organizations like the American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME) develop comprehensive standards for the design and manufacturing of pressure vessels. The ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code (BPVC) provides detailed rules, such as those found in Section IV for the construction of heating boilers, which ensure that units are built to withstand far greater forces than they will encounter in normal operation.

    These codes also mandate the proper function of safety devices and set the framework for mandatory inspections, especially for larger commercial and industrial units. For homeowners, the most effective safety measure is a program of preventative maintenance, ensuring the longevity of the unit and the reliability of its safety components. Annual servicing by a qualified technician is recommended to inspect for signs of corrosion, check water levels, and verify that the burner management system and safety interlocks are functioning correctly.