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Oil furnace explosion - audit, thoughts

brightblack123
brightblack123 Member Posts: 5

We purchased a house last November and as part of our due diligence, had both our oil furnace (in our garage) and boiler (in our house) serviced and cleaned by our new local oil company. Both systems were running the day of the service tech's visit.

Flash forward — sometime in January (once we moved in) we attempted to use the garage furnace and it locked us out. We kept it off until we knew we would have the funds to have the service tech out to get it up and running again.

Last week, we made the call and a tech came out to service the furnace and see what the problem was. We had a half tank of oil and wanted to use it up and see if we want to retain the furnace or pursue alternative heating options.

Tech came out, serviced the furnace, replaced the motor and transformer. Got it running for the day, everything was fine.

The next day we had another lockout — so we called the oil company to come and check it out. We didn't touch the system or try and reset.

Tech comes out, unbeknownst to my partner, who was in the house at the time — she hears an explosion, runs out to the garage and it's filled with smoke and our furnace has blown up. The tech, obviously shaken, assures us he is fine. Chimney cap is across the yard. Etc.

An additional tech comes out — they remove the parts they installed the day previous and no one seems to know that happened or why. They don't think its puff back —because the inside is not coated in soot. (they said it's immaculate — which makes sense, because they cleaned it back in November and we hadn't used it). They say they've never seen anything like this happen before and are suspecting someone put gasoline in our oil tank. They did try and sell us a used furnace while the tech was on the phone explaining the situation to his manager.

They came back yesterday to take a sample from our oil tank to do some testing to see what could be in the system to cause such a forceful explosion.

We're not entirely sure what to do here. Is it possible the service tech did something to make this happen? If so, is it incumbent on the company to offer us a replacement? If the prior owner put something fishy in the oil tank (like gas) — do I need to contact a lawyer?

So many questions, and I'm not sure what can be answered on this forum — I guess I'm just looking for any thoughts on what could have possibly cause this. Images attached. Thanks!

Comments

  • leonz
    leonz Member Posts: 1,479
    edited April 11

    I take it you did not have the home and outbuildings looked at by a housing inspection service???

    You need to have your insurer send an arson investigator and draw sample of the fuel in the tank to have it sent out for analysis and go from there.

    The problem for you starts when the insurers arson investigator walks on the property and asks where the lock for the fuel tank is? Then he or she walks in the garage and sees the furnace "IN THE GARAGE", Then it becomes "LUCY, YOU GOT SOME SPLAINING TO DO".

    You have to decide if you want to deal with this as is and possibly have your insurance canceled or simply have the oil dealer remove everything and install a through the wall pro-pain forced air furnace.

    my thoughts as a homeowner with a worthless insurer.

    HydronicMike
  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 5,924

    Housing inspector………………..NO A qualified HVAC Contractor will know what's required. Home inspectors are a complete waste of money but required!

    Mad Dog_2yellowdogLRCCBJdelcrossv
  • ScottSecor
    ScottSecor Member Posts: 962
    edited April 11

    I also doubt the gasoline theory. I agree with @Jamie Hall that the combustion chamber was likely filled with oil or oil fumes and the burner finally ignited.

    In most cases when we saw this condition it was due to delayed ignition. In other words, the oil was pumped through the pump and sprayed out of the oil nozzle but the oil did not ignite immediately. After completely filling the chamber with an oil fog, the spark required for combustion finally occurred. This is when the explosion happened.

    Mad Dog_2mattmia2
  • leonz
    leonz Member Posts: 1,479
    edited April 11

    I do not disagree with Father Jamie or pecmsg,

    If the realtor knew anything about building codes the home and outbuildings would have been inspected and the code was followed perhaps this could have been eliminated at the start before the sale.

    The national plumbing code, the local plumbing code and the building inspector always ride herd on things like this.

    Mad Dog_2
  • leonz
    leonz Member Posts: 1,479
    edited April 11

    A chimney blockage comes to mind here.

    I had a vacustack plugged with a birds nest causing problems 30 years ago.

    Does the wood stove share the same chimney?

    I would want to have a large beaker full of this fuel sitting on a table for a while and pour it into a large measuring cylinder and let it just settle and wait for the separation if any to see what fuel if any dyed fuel if any will separate and then go from there before anyone starts pointing fingers as the measuring cylinder will be the tell all for this as thinner light fuel and water will show themselves verry quickly.

    I would think that a qualified and experienced oil burner service person would have sense enough not to do something like push the reset button multiple times.

    Mad Dog_2
  • Grallert
    Grallert Member Posts: 956

    In all my years I have never seen a delayed ignition or puff back or a flooded chamber do that kind of damage. I've see plenty of major delays where some one has jumped the safety or the safety failed. I've seen flue pipes turn into flame throwers and draft regulators embed in drywall but to blow the chamber plates off? WOW. Also I never thought I'd ever use the term "in all my years"

    One more thing. That control has a limit to the number of resets it will allow if I'm not mistaken. Someone would have to purposely reset from it's hard lock out a bunch of times. Could it possibly be way way way over fired?

    Miss Hall's School service mechanic, greenhouse manager, teacher, dog walker and designated driver

    Mad Dog_2HydronicMike
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,723

    That primary control should go into hard lockout if someone hits the reset more than three times. A tech would know how to get it to fire again, but it's doubtful the average owner would.

    And with a 15-second trial for ignition, the amount of oil sprayed into the firebox would not be as much as with older controls. Yes, it would cause a puffback, but not like that.

    There's more to this than we're seeing.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
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    GrallertleonzMad Dog_2
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,403

    gasoline ad oil will happily mix together permanently but if it is gasoline but it isn't in the tank. if it is gasoline it is vapors from the garage.

    it is most likely service related.

    the stuff that would cause or prevent something like this isn't written in the code, it is passed on from old techs to new techs, it is barely even written in trade books.

    what if it was burning very rich and they let enough air in for the co and soot to suddenly burn all at once?

    is there a combustion analysis report from their previous visit?

  • brightblack123
    brightblack123 Member Posts: 5

    Thanks everyone for your thoughts and comments.

    We still haven't heard back from the oil company (who took a sample yesterday).

    In the meantime, I've contacted our insurance broker to get a sense of what I should be thinking about moving forward here (remediation, replacement, etc).

    @mattmia2 Thank you for the suggestion on the combustion report. They did do this late last year and as I mentioned, we haven't used it since.

    Also I should mention that we have no gasoline anywhere in the garage. No vehicles at all, etc. That doesn't mean there aren't residual gas stains on the concrete etc, but we have nothing in there that would create vapors.

    The tech who experienced the explosion said that he was out there for about 20 minutes before it happened. I trust that he knows what he is doing, but I have no idea what he was doing since he didn't tell anyone he was on-site.

    I do have a quart container that has been sitting for a few days, from bleeding the lines — I don't think there has been any separation

    The oil furnace chimney is separate from the wood furnace chimney. Both were capped, the oil tech doesn't think a birds next could've caused this. Especially — it was running just fine the day before when they replaced parts.

    I'm grateful for everyone's thoughts. I'll be sure to check in with any new info or answers. Thanks again

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,403

    so they didn't do a combustion analysis after they changed a bunch of things or in the process of seeing if the reason it locked out was because it wasn't burning properly and was intermittently going out?

    how would the motor and the transformer both be bad?

    LRCCBJ
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 17,569

    I seriously doubt that gasoline is involved. That is a cop out answer which means they "don't know what happened"

    To have that happen while the tech was on site is inexcusable. He is inept and doesn't know what he is doing.

    mattmia2Robert_H
  • techforlife
    techforlife Member Posts: 121

    IMHO, this blast was too big for an untampered with delayed ignition. That oil spray must have been on for a good while for a blast like that. Perhaps the tech thought the burner had lost prime and put the primary into "pump prime" mode, which would keep the burner running and spraying for 2 minutes, not realizing that there was no ignition. When it finally got a spark, the whole furnace was full of oil vapor. That's my guess. Cracked electrode? Carbon bridge?

    ScottSecorLRCCBJ
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,991

    I've seen the term "explosion" misused many, many times. Mad Dog

  • MaxMercy
    MaxMercy Member Posts: 536

    Playing devil's advocate here - the motor could have been the culprit for the no-start but the ignition transformer may have also had a weakish spark?

  • BDR529
    BDR529 Member Posts: 328

    Delay valve and a 15 second safety. Missing some info here.

    Can have a bad ignition on any unit and not have this result.

    Whats with the soot streakes above burner? Was running st some point

    Something jumped out? This is an extreme.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,403

    I mean it did peel the cover off of the front of the combustion chamber.

    I notice there is no spring loaded observation door to release the pressure.

  • brightblack123
    brightblack123 Member Posts: 5

    I spoke to the company the lead tech at the company — their testing showed it was clean. He said it was kerosene.

    Waiting on a call from one of the owners on Monday. My proposal is to have them remove the (now destroyed) furnace and outdoor oil tank, dispose of completely - no charge. I'm hopeful they agree and this is the way forward.

    We were hoping to use the furnace at least for a little while, but would like to explore some safer and hopefully cost effective solutions for the future (I'm in upstate NY) for this 29x50 foot garage.

    Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this. I'll chime in if any news comes to light (no pun).

    @mattmia2 your questions make me think I ought to find another company. Thus far they've been great — but we have a 50% deposit on a new tank for our home oil boiler - hoping to change it out later this month. This whole thing has made me think of them differently.

  • MaxMercy
    MaxMercy Member Posts: 536

    Kero is more volatile than heating oil but I don't know if it's so much more so that it will cause an explosion like you had. In the back of my mind, I still think the tech mishandled the burner, maybe running it on "prime" without opening the bleeder first.

    LRCCBJ
  • LRCCBJ
    LRCCBJ Member Posts: 1,003
    edited April 11

    @brightblack123

    I spoke to the company the lead tech at the company — their testing showed it was clean. He said it was kerosene.

    Yes, definitely. Sometime in the middle of the night, someone of unknown origin came to your house with (10) 5 gallon containers of kero and deposited 50 gallons into your outdoor tank that they needed to get rid of.

    Makes perfect sense to me.

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 17,569

    The tech wasn't paying attention to something that's for sure. For 46 years I worked on oil #2,4 and 6 and gas burner up to about 100gph (15 million btu/hour) and a few larger than that.

    Yeah, I have had my eyebrows singed a few times and some soot in my face a couple of times and that was while paying attention.

    There is no possibility that that tech was paying attention to what was happening.

    You don't make assumptions when working on burners no matter how many years you have worked on them or how much you think you know.

    LRCCBJmattmia2ScottSecorHydronicMike
  • Big Ed_4
    Big Ed_4 Member Posts: 3,176
    edited April 12

    A flame out on a burn out ,can also cause it ……

    I don't know where you live .. I see a few code violations .. Looks like a…. " If you replacing a furnace ,and if the old one is decent , hold it for my shop " furnace .

    There was an error rendering this rich post.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,403

    There are lots of people that have commented on this thread that have forgotten more than I will ever know.

  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 6,705

    You can't do that without trying. The motor AND Igniter on the first trip should've been a clue. If both did fail, which is unlikely, it would steer me to an electrical issue. Those parts are the load side of the primary. Was the primary in permanent pump prime mode without spark, and then there WAS spark? Did he jump FF with no spark, and then there WAS spark? I would look for a match stick in the chamber.

    You start any investigation at the beginning. Get an explanation of why two components failed at the same time.

    LRCCBJ
  • ScottSecor
    ScottSecor Member Posts: 962

    I have seen a few residential oil fired boilers and oil fired warm air furnaces with similar results. In most cases the soot from the unit would coat most of the basement, sometimes the entire house. I have seen smoke pipe look like there was dynamite placed inside. I have seen boilers with spring loaded doors at the breach that blew open. Growing up (before my father went into the heating business) I can recall the chimney clean-out in our slab house blowing out into the kitchen, blowing soot everywhere. In this case It looks like the furnace must have been pretty clean, as there is almost no soot laying around.

    I only witnessed one of the explosions while on site (our house) the rest were after the fact. In most if not every case the cause of the explosion was due to delayed ignition. The combustion chamber, possibly the rest of the unit and perhaps the smoke pipe all filled with oil vapors and finally the ignition took place and BOOM!

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,403
    edited April 12

    could the draft be varying widely depending on if the garage door was open ot not and how the wind was blowing if the door was open causing it to fire for a while, burn poorly for a while, the suddenly burn the incomplete products of combustion? or the drive to the blower in the burner slipping and driving?

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 17,569

    I looked at one job at a Fire Station where they wanted to replace the boiler.

    It was an old boiler with two fire doors that swung open.

    When I looked at it they had a chain looped through the door handles chaining the doors shut.

    I said " I see you getting some delayed ignition"

    mattmia2ScottSecor