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Peerless gas boiler replacement?

skipro
skipro Member Posts: 5

new to this site so bear with me. I have a peerless gas boiler 86,000 btu. Unit was installed in 1994 ( see attached photo)

and seems to be running good. 3 zones of baseboard heat. Question is; should I consider replacing the boiler with something more efficient since the unit is 30 + years old? I have a company I trust to do the work just wanted some unbiased opinions.

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  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,580

    What did your trusted company suggest?

    As the kind of homeowner I am, I prefer the 83ish percent efficient cast iron boilers for water and steam. They are dead simple, they are inexpensive to install and service, parts are readily available and installable by me, they require almost no maintenance.

    Especially, ESPECIALLY if it's currently running!! There is no chance of ROI to pull out a working cast iron boiler IMO.

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  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 1,243

    I'm just a homeowner/engineer, not a heating pro. If it was me, I'd ride that horse until it broke. Meanwhile, you have time for planning a replacement.

    Number one thing is to know how much heat you actually need. Boilers are often oversized because installers don't take the time to do proper heat loss calculations. You can get a rough idea of how much boiler you actually need by telling us (a) city/state you live in, (b) square footage of your house, and (c ) when the house was built, how much insulation in walls/attic, and what type/vintage windows.

    ethicalpaulSTEAM DOCTORMad Dog_2
  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 5,953
    edited April 7

    Zero return on investment!

    Tighten the envelope, Reduce the size of the boiler and maybe you'll get the money back on the boiler work.

    mattmia2STEAM DOCTORHVACNUTMad Dog_2
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 17,629

    Agree with the above posts. If it has been combustion tested and is burning ok and not leaking the boiler can last at least another 10 years.

    You could get a quote, sized a new boiler correctly put the money to the side and run the old one. If your home can be tightened up, insulated and windows replace if needed do that first.

    STEAM DOCTOR
  • skipro
    skipro Member Posts: 5

    New England home 1900 sq ft built in 1965. Windows are relatively new and have R19 in attic and presume R11 in walls

  • skipro
    skipro Member Posts: 5

    agreed that it could last another 10 as per my HVAC guy. Working on tightening up the air leaks around the home. Single story ranch BTW. just wanted to be proactive and use some of the rebates that are still being offered (which could go away soon) and concerned about current tariff climate in today’s world.

  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 5,953
  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 1,243
    edited April 7

    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1851435#Comment_1851435

    That's good. So your heat loss on a design day is probably 20 BTU/hr/sq ft or less. That's under 40,000 BTU/hr total for the house.

    If your boiler is not also making domestic hot water (ie you have a separate water heater that isn't connected to the boiler), you could get away with a smaller boiler than you have now, but the one you have is not grossly oversized. ASHRAE recommends sizing to 1.4x design heat loss, so you would probably end up sized around 60,000 BTU/hr.

    Also, be aware that the main efficiency gain of a modulating-condensing (mod-con) boiler happens when you can heat the house with low-temperature water that allows the boiler to condense the flue gas vapor, and that depends on how much radiation you have. A 1960's house with baseboard radiators probably needs high temperature water on cold days, which means that for most of the heating season you might not get the full efficiency benefit of a mod-con boiler. And mod-cons are more complicated and potentially more expensive to maintain and service. So you could wind up with the worst of both worlds: not getting the efficiency gain, but getting the added complexity and maintenance cost.

  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 6,722

    Does your boiler have a vent damper? Spill Switch? Rollout Switch? If so, then the only difference in the 2025 Peerless MI boiler is the operating control. It's definitely better than what you've got, but it's not worth replacing the whole boiler over.

    The vent damper is purely for efficiency. If there's no Spill and Rollout, then have your company install them, and let it ride.

    mattmia2
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,029

    My brother's small gas HW boiler went 65 yrs! Mad Dog

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,580

    Was that due to it being a tight system with little to no makeup water, Matt? Can today's boilers last that long if treated well like that? Thanks!

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  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 17,629

    I can remember and old forced hot water system that was installed in the 30s or 40s that we had to cut into the supply pipe to change the flow check. This system probably hardly ever had to have water added to it. This was in the 70s so it was 30-40 years old. The steel pipe on the inside was like a brand new pipe. CI should last longer although a boiler is subject to more expansion and contraction.

    ethicalpaul
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,029

    Yes..Grasshopper. in 65 years, the system water was probably only exposed to oxygen 3-4 times. Mad Dog

    ethicalpaul
  • skipro
    skipro Member Posts: 5

    thank you all for your comments. Very helpful in deciding whether to replace or not. HVACNUT; I do have a vent damper and rollout switch, not sure about a spill switch. If I can get another 10 years or more from this boiler, that would be great. I realize there is no ROI replacing it at this point. Truly appreciate all your inputs.

  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 5,953

    why wouldn’t you get another 10 years?

  • skipro
    skipro Member Posts: 5

    pecmsg; from what I gleaned from this forum, I should get 10 or more from my current system. Great learning experience from this forum.

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,580

    I thought your HVAC guy said it could go 10 years. But regardless, it's impossible to know.

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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,491

    just make sure there are no leaks in the system so very little makeup water gets added. fresh water with its dissolved oxygen and minerals will kill a boiler.

    SuperTech
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,389
    edited April 8

    For boiler sizing you could add up all the lengths of baseboard heaters.

    Assuming you have 3/4" copper BB. This would run at 180 degrees max.

    And 160-170 btuh average at the BB.

    Each foot can only deliver 550 to 600 btuh per linear foot.

    This is the max heat you could get into the house with those BB.

    It could be more than you need but you won't get more at that temp.