Experience I had with a boiler tech and what I learned along the way.

A couple months ago I noticed my boiler kind of smelled funny in the same way a ventless space heater kinda smells and its been lighting with a big woosh. My cousin works in the office of a heating and cooling place so I decided to have her send out their boiler tech. I specifically told her I wanted a combustion analysis done on it.
He shows up, looks at my old 1955 boiler and asks if I run it alot which struck me as an odd question. Like yea when its cold I run it.
So I leave him to it. He takes apart the thermo couple, then puts it back togeather. I'd assume he checked out the gas valve but I wasn't watching him too closly. Anyway 10 minutes later he is done and lights the pilot. Tells me my cover is home made and I should tape off the vent slots that are in it since that is how the original would have been. He grabs his combustion analizer and Calls for heat so the boiler lights with a big woosh. Sticks the analizer in the opening by the PRV and gets 5ppm CO. Calls his boss ,steps outside to talk to him then is told to shut my boiler down and it needs to be replaced for $10k.
He goes on to tell me its a bad seal and can't be fixed packs up and leaves. Looking back he had to know the roll out would cause CO to go into that area because it has a clear path up to that area just outside the combustion chamber where the roll out is happening.
So I spend a couple days on the internet and ask people on different forums/groups and go about checking the boiler out my self. I bought a bacharach insight plus and did my own combustion test since he never ended up doing one. The CO in the exhaust was pretty high so clearly inefficent air fuel mixture.
I learned online that orange flame is typically just pollutants in the air but yellow like a candle is no good. So I look at the burners and a few of them have yellow so I adjust the air damper till its burning nice and blue. That yielded better CO results but still not great.
Next I removed the exhaust pipe and looked down into the heat exchanger that was clearly fouled up with carbon and other crap from it not burning right. I ordered 3 different brushes and when they came in I setup my bagged vacuum with a hepa filter, put on a respirator and went to town brushing it in every which direction I could till it was all clean. I used a bore scope to check all the seals along the exchanger sections and it was all good. Cleaned the burners out real nice and put them back.
I used the monometer on my analizer to check the gas presure and adjusted it .1. I also got rid of the 5" exhaust pipe and made it 6" exhaust since that is what the opening on the boiler is and I used a chart to figure out what size it should be for the BTUs I'm putting out and it also confirmed 6" was correct. I found that the burners were starving a bit for air so I added the square screen section to the door since it originally only had the slots at the top for air supply and that helped it quite a bit.
So after a day of cleaning and adjusting everything I got it all back togeather and got my CO in the vent pipe to be 0ppm and 0ppm by the prv opening. Here are some pictures.
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That was a salesman, not a tech. What part of the country was this?
All Steamed Up, Inc.
Towson, MD, USA
Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
Oil & Gas Burner Service
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Hi @mo8414 , Looks like you could have a job doing real boiler service if you wanted it 🤠 … The only thing that caught my eye is the reducer in the vent, just before it goes vertical. If it works, and you get good readings with both appliances running, than life is good. 😸
Yours, Larry
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Don't know what your CO2 is but it should be around 8%. Looking at your O2 your are probably OK. Looks like a Crane boiler with the old CI burners.
In the 5th picture down the burner air shutters look closed. I assume this was a B4 picture??
Sad that you couldn't get a professional to even try and fix this.
Unfortunately, it is the times we live in.
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Nice work. I have an oil burner that I'm trying tolearn everything about to do the work myself. 3 companies I've had business with really did questionable work. I have no problem paying for work to get done, but do the work I pay for.. I totally get your frustration and resorting to getting your own anylizer. That's my next step. I rebuilt my Beckett this past fall and changed the filter on the tank. Good luck going forward.
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Well done! I'm more of an installer than a service tech, but I try to service boilers that I install which has taught me a great deal more than any book ever would have. I usually turn down service calls from others simply due to the fact that I'm not a service tech and don't know enough to be good at what I do, but, on occasion I will take calls from folks who are at their wit's end with salesmen telling them they need a new boiler even though theirs is only 5 years old. I recently came across an old Weil McLain CG-4 system that had been "serviced" by 2 small local shops and one big corporate operation within a month's time but still had a terrible noise coming from the system on occasion and the basement never warmed up. One of the small shops replaced a relief valve, expansion tank, and tridicator gauge and said it was good to go, but small shop #2 and the corporate shop both told the homeowner (a 21 year old girl, first time homeowner) that she needed a new boiler to the tune of $11k and $18k. The burners were full of cat hair from the previous owners so I know none of them cleaned it, the original Taco 007 was squealing due to bad bearings, and the basement thermostat was bad. Somebody monkeyed with the gas valve and had the CO up to nearly 8000PPM (yes, eight thousand) which obviously was causing some issues, but I was able to clean it out, replace the circ, flush the system, replace the faulty stat, and adjust the gas valve back to proper spec in a matter of 4 hours. According to the homeowner, she had spent several thousand dollars on these "service" calls already and whether the previously replaced components were actually bad I don't know, but the original call was for the basement being cold and the noise which obviously none of them could figure out. Basic common sense is no longer a requirement to become a service tech, apparently… It's scary how many of these guys are running around performing "service" like this.
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I always wear a respirator when dealing with dust. Did so much without one in my younger years that I can't tolerate smoke or dust too much these days. Learned my lesson on that aspect. I went through it with compressed air but using the vacuum to blow is a pretty good idea when there is no compressor avaliable. I'm pretty happy I ended up going through everything, now I know it top to bottom and this one being so old there really isn't a whole lot to it.
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Sounds Like the other companies were just taking advantage of the home owner. You wouldn't think it would be possible to miss some of the things you listed. At least she finally came across someone who was honest enough just to clean it up and switch out the parts it really needed. Good on you for getting it going so she didn't have to fork out thousands more.
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"many technicians haven't read since high school"
Are you sure about that??
From the installs we see on this forum I don't think they can read at all LOL
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Some of this depends on how the companies are structured as well. There's a few companies in the Detroit area that have a high turnover rate of employees. I have gone behind some other companies and explain my findings to the homeowner where they say what they didn't catch that. I find some of the companies where they give commission to techs more times that not are the ones to stay away from. The tech is more focused on getting to the next call and sell parts so they increase their commission. Train and pay guys so they focus on quality rather than quantity of calls.
Owner of Grunaire Climate Solutions. Check us out under the locate a contractor section. Located in Detroit area.
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Zero CO? hmmm that's odd
where are you sticking the probe?
high CO—-many more reasons that fuel/air ratio
I hope you have some good CO detectors on the home
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I'm not directing this at the original poster, but combustion regulation requires far more than a computer combustion analyzer.
There's a huge learning curve that goes into adjusting combustion and understanding the particulars. Working on combustion in small boilers is a rather obscure specialty. Finding material on the topic that is the proper blend of theory and mechanics can be difficult. Unfortunately we've recently lost a great training resource in the field.
When you buy that combustion analyzer, search beyond the little leaflet that comes in the package.
The computerized analyzers may have made the job a little too easy.
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A good observation, Ed.
Training is so available these days. I imagine every manufacturer of analyzers offers online and live training. Bacharach had excellent on site training and trainers.
The introduction of mod cons changed the game as far as owning an analyzer. At the very least you can check and confirm the numbers.
Assuming the meters are checked and calibrated as needed.
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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At least he has a machine, more than you can say for most DIYers. At least he grabbed the right location to stick the probe into.
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(let me assume there's not an integral draft hood as well)
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I'm the type of person that spends hours researching things when it comes to stuff like this and have watched just about every combustion analizer video on you tube, even the ones that are like an hour and a half long of experts discussing different things about analysis.
I've also looked through most forums and reddit discussions on the subject. Luckily for me most of my day at work consists of me sitting around with nothing better to do than look online.
Its also why I bought the insight plus because it can be calibrated using your own gas and regulator and you can get pre calibrated sensors for it too. I wouldn't have blew $2k without doing the research. I certainly do understand the concern you guys may have though since its obviously not my expertise but from what I can tell, everything is in order. I appreciate the help and feed back everyone has givein, you guys know your stuff.
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Not many people like you seem to be left. It's a shame that so few technicians who make a living doing this share your qualities.
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