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Propane tank inside is it safe?

Cassie1218
Cassie1218 Member Posts: 1

my boyfriend is installing my vent free wall mounter gas heater tonight but doesn’t have what he needs to run the line outside so he’s wanting to leave the propane tank inside about 4 feet from the heater until he gets the right connector. Is it safe?

Mad Dog_2WaherIronman

Comments

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 9,532

    LP tanks can not be stored indoors. If they could, do you think that Home Depot, Tractor Supply and Lowes would spend all the extra money on those outdoor locking cages if they could just store. them indoors?

    It is a fire hazard and against the law to store that tank inside your home.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    mattmia2Mad Dog_2WaherIronman
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 11,029

    you don't want it inside if the safety valve blows off for some reason

    Mad Dog_2WaherIronman
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,544
    edited December 21

    NO!!! Good on ya for picking up on that. Mad Dog

    WaherIronmanmattmia2
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,296

    You want it outside as noted above. Get a good electric heater for temporary use.

    Now with all of this said, I just want to say how dangerously, about 50 years ago, I lived for over 3 years, on a Greek island.

    We and most of the population had a propane tank in the kitchen next to the range, (a German "Junker", hell of a name but really good quality).

    We then heated the house with Aladdin kerosene unvented heaters with extra fuel stored on the porch. A lot of air exchanges with leaky windows.

    So this is a Grandpa saying "Do as we say….not as I did….in a almost third world country".

  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,569

    Absolutely not!!

    You could blow yourselves up!

    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
    mattmia2
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 11,029

    There was never an official public report but it sounds like this is what happened when a house on the west side of Ann Arbor blew up a year or 2 ago. They had some sort of dispute with the gas utility and were heating with propane tanks before the house blew up.

  • jimna01
    jimna01 Member Posts: 41

    The propane tank inside is a really bad idea and so is an unvented gas heater . Unvented gas heaters are now illegal in many jurisdictions. When operating normally they consume oxygen, emit CO2 and various nitrogen oxides which can aggravate asthma or asthma like symptoms ( I know personally from sitting in the living room of my mother in laws house with a ventless fireplace in fairly tight constructed home ). Operating improperly you can add CO to the mix. When I redid my kitchen I installed a gas cook top and electric ovens to mitigate these gases and also installed a 400 CFM range hood with exterior exhaust. I have had no symptoms with that setup .

    Mad Dog_2
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 1,765

    1983 Buffalo propane explosion

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Buffalo_propane_explosion

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • DCContrarian
    DCContrarian Member Posts: 722

    That was a 500-gallon propane tank. It was being moved by a forklift while full, fell off and sprung a leak. That's a much more extreme situation.

    Let me ask this, because it's closer I think to the OP's question. Is having a 20 pound propane tank inside the house more dangerous in any meaningful way than having, say, a five gallon can of gasoline? Or a 275 gallon tank of fuel oil? Or natural gas piping that might be 120 years old?

    I can't say that it is.

  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 5,337

    if there were a fire YES! The fire department will shut off the gas outside as well as electric before entering.
    there going to be pissed if a 20# bottle of LP let’s go!

  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 24,989

    Oh dear, @DCContrarian ! Yes, the propane tank is considerably riskier than the 275 gallon oil tank. The 5 gallon gasoline can — which also should never be stored in an occupied space — is somewhat less hazardous. The old natural gas piping, assuming it has been leak checked more recently than 120 years, is also much less of a hazard (Is there any natural gas that is 120 years old???)

    Let's consider why. First, the oil tank. While an oil tank will make a nasty mess if it leaks, it will not explode even if it is heated. Those of us who run diesel equipment will happily confirm that fuel oil is surprisingly hard to ignite. Second, the gasoline can. Gasoline can and does vapourize. Unless the cap is really tight and the vents closed, the vapours which are much heavier than air) will move across whatever floor is handy and will find an ignition source. The resulting fire will be spectacular, but will not (bar exceptional circumstances) be an explosive one. If the gasoline can is exposed to fire, the gasoline will vapourize very quickly (unlike fuel oil) and contribute to the merriment, but not explode unless further confined. The propane tank, however, poses a hazard even if it is well sealed. If we assume that the valve is tightly closed and does not leak, it's fine — unless it is exposed to excessive heat, particularly even a relatively mild fire. Then you entirely dependent on the safety disc bursting and the resulting pressure release being adequate to prevent the tank rupturing, but not so great as to drop the pressure below the current temperature of the liquid propane — and that the torch from the safety disc is pointed somewhere safe. If the heat input to the propane tank is rapid enough, however, the pressure inside will continue to build and the tank wall weaken — to the point where the tank wall fails and the interior pressure drops to zero, at which point all the remaining liquid propane in the tank boils, and you get a small (relatively speaking) BLEVE — boiling liquid expanding vapour explosion. A standard small barbecue tank is more or less as powerful as a standard 250 pound bomb… and, in fact, such tanks have been used — with some simple but ingenious tweaking which I won't detail for obvious reasons — as excellent, easily available, cheap, bombs.

    I'll grant that a leaking natural gas line is a real hazard, and will blow up your whole house (the whole block, if you do it right), but you really should smell it before it's a problem.

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    IronmanGGross
  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 3,611

    Hi, Would you rather live with rattlesnakes, scorpions, or alligators in your house? I'm thinking it might be the wrong question. 😜

    Yours, Larry

    IronmanGGross