How long is a radiator vent supposed to last before replacement?
I’ve read that when the vents stop closing when they’re supposed to, you need to replace them. Fine. But it honestly seems like at least for one of my radiators, I need to replace the vent once per cold season. It’s frustrating, I feel like I’m wasting my money. They’re Gorton too. Is this normal? How often do you people need to replace your vents?
to be clear, these are the vents for a single pipe radiator. NOT the main vents
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Hello ccordero,
Replace as needed. However I think the quality of the new stuff is pitiful as compared to the much older ones. All the radiator vents here are more than 40 years old that I know of, some maybe much older, the house is almost 100 years old and all work fine.
The 2 that were replaced about 40 years ago were replaced due to being damaged, kids will be kids.
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I've had better luck with Maid-o-mist than Gorton. Only replaced 1 this year on a 36 rad system.
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Why replace? Are they stuck open or closed?
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Can you tell us more about this 36 rad system? House? Apt bldg?
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That's a little like asking how big is a box. Too many variables. However, they should last for years — if they are never abused. The most common abuse is too much pressure. Yes, I know, some are rated for 15 psi — but that may be a one shot deal. The other abuse is frequent cycling. In this they are like switches, which are rated in cycles, not years.
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If an air vent has been tested to last 10,000 cycles and your boiler operates with about 2,000 cycles per year, then about 5 years.
If your boiler is oversized and heats the home too quickly then the house cools quickly as a result of old construction, then you system may cycle 4000 times a year, then the vent may not last as many years. The same amount of cycles but less years.
How long do your tires last in years, not miles… My tires last over 5 years now that I'm retired and don't drive as much as I used to. The last set of tires were replace due to dry rot on the sidewalls. still had plenty of tread left. Go Figure!
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After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?
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The most common abuse is too much pressure.
But how does pressure hurt a vent? I have seen them on the inside thanks to @Gordo and myself and I don't see anything in there that could fail from pressure. Definitely not Maid O Mist nor Gorton.
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I think the ones like Dole and Hoffman with a capsule inside can be damaged by excessive pressure, deforming the capsule. The Bigmouth too if it is Steam pressure, I think the Bigmouth may survive depending on the water temperature, since if the water temperature is cold enough the water would just run through it, not much restrictions.
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Some vents use a thermostatic capsule (and almost all traps do) to handle the close on steam bit. That capsule can be crushed by over pressure, and the vent will not close on steam. Some use a bimetal to close the vent and are less sensitive and quick, but are not as subject to damage from pressure.
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If a vent is operated in a distribution system that has high pressure example: 4 to 6 psi, there are things going on in that system such as dirt and debris entering the vent clogging the orifice closing pin [canister] or head [bimetal strip] resulting in it venting steam.
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I am not seeing the reasoning there…high pressure can and is almost always due to an oversized boiler.
If a vent is venting steam, that will tend to make a reduction in pressure, not an increase
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The most common failure cause I've found was dirt and mung. High pressure and poor piping carry over debris laden water from the inside which lodges in the vents. Paint and dust clog orifices from the outside. Vents serving clean piping filled with dry steam seem to last forever.
Some brands fail by other means also. Heat timers have an internal mounting that fails. Hoffman's sometimes lose their alcohol charge.But clogged vents can often be boiled to clean. I have many that have seen well over a century of service and still work fine.
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If a boiler's steam output results in high pressure [well over 2 psi], vents that do not close will have little effect on pressure. I took over control of my 30 unit one pipe system 3 years ago. I was reading 4.5 psi on the 5th floor. There where around 70 radiator vents and 9 mains vents in the system. At least 40% of them vented steam that I know of. I have replaced around 2/3 of the vents in the system. In some cases twice. There was no indication that vents not closing has any significant reduction in pressure for a given boiler output. Neither was any expected. The modulation of our 40 HP boiler was disabled by some idiot years ago and the board and I decided not to replace it because of cost and reliability issues. I do not have time to do the calculations, but I am sure that in smaller residential systems the same would be true. Also, please note that a vent that passes steam is not fully open.
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Yes it would depend on how open the vent was and of course the size of the vent, but there is zero doubt that a vent passing steam will have a pressure reducing effect, just maybe not noticeable especially in an oversized system that you surely have (as almost all of us have)
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My point and that of long beach Ed is that operating steam systems with high pressure is a main cause of vent failures whether they are stuck closed or fail to close completely.
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Yes maybe
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