First double riser, drop header

Steve Minnich · November 2016

The old boiler had seen better days. It burned through the cabinet, rusted out, and was shut down before I even bid on its replacement. It was also grossly oversized based on the connected load. The Peerless 63-05 was delivered late morning. Not like Ironman's job but fun for me nonetheless. See any issues so far?

vaporvac · November 2016

Now that's what I call a header. Beautiful.

Steve Minnich · November 2016

Thanks. I'm digging this steam stuff.

Fred · November 2016

It looks great @Stephen Minnich , Only one Main? Are you sure that main doesn't Tee off and go two directions? If so, now would be the time to split it and drop both Mains into the Header. Just looks like a good size boiler for a single main.

Steve Minnich · November 2016

@Fred - Yes, just the one and thank you. Using 3 Big Mouths too.

Dave0176 · November 2016

@Stephen Minnich welcome to the party.............

Dave0176 · November 2016

@Stephen Minnich are you threading by hand???

Steve Minnich · November 2016

Thanks Dave. We have a 300 and a 700. If I'm mad at Tim, I'll make him do some by hand : ).

EzzyT · November 2016

Looking good @Stephen Minnich

Paul S_3 · November 2016

Nice job!! @Stephen Minnich

Paul S_3 · November 2016

@Dave0176 ..... threading by hand with the 141 threader takes about 20 minutes to a half hour .....ive done some 4inch by hand a few times

Steve Minnich · November 2016

@Dave0176 - I had 3 of your job pics printed in 8 x10 size that I use as friendly reminders to myself on the job. Actually, I have a pic folder on my iPad of steam jobs that include Frank, Charlie, Paul S, Ezzy, Chris, Gerry Gill, and a few others.

I'm not ready for the ones like Paul S and Ironman just did but maybe in a year or so?

Steamhead · November 2016

Looking good!

DanHolohan · November 2016

Proud of you, Stephen!

New England SteamWorks · November 2016

By the book. Sweet...

Ironman · November 2016

Looks great!

It looks like you're having the same issue with suppliers that I have: nobody seems to have reducing Tees or Ells in large sizes.

Ironman · November 2016

Stephen Minnich said:
@Dave0176 - I had 3 of your job pics printed in 8 x10 size that I use as friendly reminders to myself on the job. Actually, I have a pic folder on my iPad of steam jobs that include Frank, Charlie, Paul S, Ezzy, Chris, Gerry Gill, and a few others.

I'm not ready for the ones like Paul S and Ironman just did but maybe in a year or so?

I don't think you realize just how capable you are.

DanHolohan · November 2016

I think you'll be getting a lot more of this work, Stephen.

hot_rod · November 2016

The evolution of the "tin man" nice work!

Steve Minnich · November 2016

Thank you, everyone! I have great teachers in you guys. When the student is ready...
Yeah, I was a union tinner from '86 to '92.

lchmb · November 2016

awsome job!! have to love a black iron job...specially when done right..

Steve Minnich · November 2016

The returns and Hartford Loop.

Steve Minnich · November 2016

I missed this though. I talked to Charlie and these two returns need to be tied in together below the water line.

And, the vents need to be moved back.

Grrr.

Dave0176 · November 2016

Stephen Minnich said:
The returns and Hartford Loop.

Wow that looks familiar lol.............. nice job man keep em going.

Dave0176 · November 2016

Ironman said:
Looks great!

It looks like you're having the same issue with suppliers that I have: nobody seems to have reducing Tees or Ells in large sizes.

@Ironman Forget supplyhouse.com anymore they just don't seem to be keeping stock like they used to. My local plumbing supply rep has brought a ton Ward cast iron fittings for me and is stocking the shelves with them. If your in Jersey check out WA Birdsall plumbing, great people, old school type supply house. He is stocking most of the 3" and 4" fittings I need, anytype. For 5" up to 8" he said just let him know ahead as they can get direct shipments from Ward.

Steve Minnich · November 2016

@Dave0176 - I swear your job pic was hanging from the wall as I piped it. I just want to do it right.

How is it that those returns worked all those decades? Are the systems that forgiving?

Dave0176 · November 2016

Stephen Minnich said:
@Dave0176 - I swear your job pic was hanging from the wall as I piped it. I just want to do it right.

How is it that those returns worked all those decades? Are the systems that forgiving?

@Stephen Minnich I suppose they were, at least when they were large water content boilers. They didn't really care if the water didn't return, they had plenty of it. Unfortunately the small steam boiler were all familiar with these days is awfully sensitive to condensate return. This is the reason on jobs with wet returns I try hard to get the HO to replace the 80 yo wet returns with fresh pipe. Every time I cut into those old wet returns their almost clogged solid.

adambnyc · November 2016

I love this stuff. I'm not sure by looking at the pic. The header looks kinda level. Probably not an issue, but I usually see the guys on here provide more of a slope toward the equalizer so water doesn't sit. Again, hard to tell by the pics and without seeing a level sitting on top.

Steve Minnich · November 2016

Its pitched.

Steve Minnich · November 2016

This may show it a bit better.

Dave0176 · November 2016

@Stephen Minnich with this size boiler I'd would've use two 3" risers. Because with the 2" risers you're steam velocity leaving the boiler is 29.1 fps. It's not crazy but not near our comfort zone of 15 fps. Two 3" risers come in at 13.39 fps. Again I'm very anal about these details. It's just me.

neilc · November 2016

misread message above,
question withdrawn.

Steve Minnich · November 2016

@Dave0176 - Good to know. Others have told me I overdid it. For now, following the Peerless Manual as best I can and applying what I've learned here is all I've got. I do know it's running at about .1 PSI and that radiators that have never heated are now heating very well.

Progress, not perfection. : )

SWEI · November 2016

That drop header and the bit of extra height can work wonders.

Dave0176 said:
with the 2" risers you're steam velocity leaving the boiler is 29.1 fps.

I get 32 FPS at 0.1 PSI -- or did I miss something?

2-1/2" risers would drop it to 22.5 FPS if my math is correct.

First double riser, drop header

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