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First double riser, drop header

Tinman
Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
The old boiler had seen better days. It burned through the cabinet, rusted out, and was shut down before I even bid on its replacement. It was also grossly oversized based on the connected load. The Peerless 63-05 was delivered late morning. Not like Ironman's job but fun for me nonetheless. See any issues so far?




Steve Minnich
SWEIPaul S_3Ironman

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  • vaporvac
    vaporvac Member Posts: 1,520
    Now that's what I call a header. Beautiful.
    Two-pipe Trane vaporvacuum system; 1466 edr
    Twinned, staged Slantfin TR50s piped into 4" header with Riello G400 burners; 240K lead, 200K lag Btus. Controlled by Taco Relay and Honeywell RTH6580WF
    Tinman
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    Thanks. I'm digging this steam stuff.
    Steve Minnich
    steamhouseIronman
  • Fred
    Fred Member Posts: 8,542
    It looks great @Stephen Minnich , Only one Main? Are you sure that main doesn't Tee off and go two directions? If so, now would be the time to split it and drop both Mains into the Header. Just looks like a good size boiler for a single main.
    Tinman
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    @Fred - Yes, just the one and thank you. Using 3 Big Mouths too.
    Steve Minnich
  • Dave0176
    Dave0176 Member Posts: 1,178
    @Stephen Minnich welcome to the party............. ;)
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    Tinman
  • Dave0176
    Dave0176 Member Posts: 1,178
    @Stephen Minnich are you threading by hand???
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  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    Thanks Dave. We have a 300 and a 700. If I'm mad at Tim, I'll make him do some by hand : ).
    Steve Minnich
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,338
    Looking good @Stephen Minnich
    E-Travis Mechanical LLC
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    Tinman
  • Paul S_3
    Paul S_3 Member Posts: 1,275
    Nice job!! @Stephen Minnich
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    Tinman
  • Paul S_3
    Paul S_3 Member Posts: 1,275
    @Dave0176 ..... threading by hand with the 141 threader takes about 20 minutes to a half hour .....ive done some 4inch by hand a few times
    ASM Mechanical Company
    Located in Staten Island NY
    Servicing all 5 boroughs of NYC.
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  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    @Dave0176 - I had 3 of your job pics printed in 8 x10 size that I use as friendly reminders to myself on the job. Actually, I have a pic folder on my iPad of steam jobs that include Frank, Charlie, Paul S, Ezzy, Chris, Gerry Gill, and a few others.

    I'm not ready for the ones like Paul S and Ironman just did but maybe in a year or so?
    Steve Minnich
    Dave0176Paul S_3
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,334
    Looking good!
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    Tinman
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,597
    edited November 2016
    Proud of you, Stephen!
    Retired and loving it.
    TinmanSWEI
  • By the book. Sweet...
    New England SteamWorks
    Service, Installation, & Restoration of Steam Heating Systems
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    Tinman
  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,517
    edited November 2016
    Looks great!

    It looks like you're having the same issue with suppliers that I have: nobody seems to have reducing Tees or Ells in large sizes.
    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
    Tinman
  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,517

    @Dave0176 - I had 3 of your job pics printed in 8 x10 size that I use as friendly reminders to myself on the job. Actually, I have a pic folder on my iPad of steam jobs that include Frank, Charlie, Paul S, Ezzy, Chris, Gerry Gill, and a few others.



    I'm not ready for the ones like Paul S and Ironman just did but maybe in a year or so?

    I don't think you realize just how capable you are.

    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
    Tinman
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,597
    I think you'll be getting a lot more of this work, Stephen.
    Retired and loving it.
    Tinman
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 23,130
    The evolution of the "tin man" nice work!
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    Tinman
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    Thank you, everyone! I have great teachers in you guys. When the student is ready...
    Yeah, I was a union tinner from '86 to '92.
    Steve Minnich
    Paul S_3
  • lchmb
    lchmb Member Posts: 2,997
    awsome job!! have to love a black iron job...specially when done right..
    Tinman
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    The returns and Hartford Loop.
    Steve Minnich
    Paul S_3
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    I missed this though. I talked to Charlie and these two returns need to be tied in together below the water line.

    And, the vents need to be moved back.

    Grrr.


    Steve Minnich
  • Dave0176
    Dave0176 Member Posts: 1,178

    The returns and Hartford Loop.

    Wow that looks familiar lol.............. nice job man keep em going.
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  • Dave0176
    Dave0176 Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2016
    Ironman said:

    Looks great!

    It looks like you're having the same issue with suppliers that I have: nobody seems to have reducing Tees or Ells in large sizes.

    @Ironman Forget supplyhouse.com anymore they just don't seem to be keeping stock like they used to. My local plumbing supply rep has brought a ton Ward cast iron fittings for me and is stocking the shelves with them. If your in Jersey check out WA Birdsall plumbing, great people, old school type supply house. He is stocking most of the 3" and 4" fittings I need, anytype. For 5" up to 8" he said just let him know ahead as they can get direct shipments from Ward.
    DL Mechanical LLC Heating, Cooling and Plumbing 732-266-5386
    NJ Master HVACR Lic# 4630
    Specializing in Steam Heating, Serving the residents of New Jersey
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    I cannot force people to spend money, I can only suggest how to spend it wisely.......
    Paul S_3
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    @Dave0176 - I swear your job pic was hanging from the wall as I piped it. I just want to do it right.

    How is it that those returns worked all those decades? Are the systems that forgiving?
    Steve Minnich
  • Dave0176
    Dave0176 Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2016

    @Dave0176 - I swear your job pic was hanging from the wall as I piped it. I just want to do it right.

    How is it that those returns worked all those decades? Are the systems that forgiving?

    @Stephen Minnich I suppose they were, at least when they were large water content boilers. They didn't really care if the water didn't return, they had plenty of it. Unfortunately the small steam boiler were all familiar with these days is awfully sensitive to condensate return. This is the reason on jobs with wet returns I try hard to get the HO to replace the 80 yo wet returns with fresh pipe. Every time I cut into those old wet returns their almost clogged solid.
    DL Mechanical LLC Heating, Cooling and Plumbing 732-266-5386
    NJ Master HVACR Lic# 4630
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    Tinman
  • adambnyc
    adambnyc Member Posts: 260
    I love this stuff. I'm not sure by looking at the pic. The header looks kinda level. Probably not an issue, but I usually see the guys on here provide more of a slope toward the equalizer so water doesn't sit. Again, hard to tell by the pics and without seeing a level sitting on top.
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    Its pitched.
    Steve Minnich
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808

    This may show it a bit better.
    Steve Minnich
  • Dave0176
    Dave0176 Member Posts: 1,178
    @Stephen Minnich with this size boiler I'd would've use two 3" risers. Because with the 2" risers you're steam velocity leaving the boiler is 29.1 fps. It's not crazy but not near our comfort zone of 15 fps. Two 3" risers come in at 13.39 fps. Again I'm very anal about these details. It's just me.
    DL Mechanical LLC Heating, Cooling and Plumbing 732-266-5386
    NJ Master HVACR Lic# 4630
    Specializing in Steam Heating, Serving the residents of New Jersey
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  • neilc
    neilc Member Posts: 2,795
    edited November 2016
    misread message above,
    question withdrawn.
    known to beat dead horses
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    @Dave0176 - Good to know. Others have told me I overdid it. For now, following the Peerless Manual as best I can and applying what I've learned here is all I've got. I do know it's running at about .1 PSI and that radiators that have never heated are now heating very well.

    Progress, not perfection. : )
    Steve Minnich
  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,356
    edited November 2016
    That drop header and the bit of extra height can work wonders.
    Dave0176 said:

    with the 2" risers you're steam velocity leaving the boiler is 29.1 fps.

    I get 32 FPS at 0.1 PSI -- or did I miss something?

    2-1/2" risers would drop it to 22.5 FPS if my math is correct.