First double riser, drop header

Steve Minnich

The old boiler had seen better days. It burned through the cabinet, rusted out, and was shut down before I even bid on its replacement. It was also grossly oversized based on the connected load. The Peerless 63-05 was delivered late morning. Not like Ironman's job but fun for me nonetheless. See any issues so far?

vaporvac

Now that's what I call a header. Beautiful.

Steve Minnich

Thanks. I'm digging this steam stuff.

Fred

It looks great @Stephen Minnich , Only one Main? Are you sure that main doesn't Tee off and go two directions? If so, now would be the time to split it and drop both Mains into the Header. Just looks like a good size boiler for a single main.

Steve Minnich

@Fred - Yes, just the one and thank you. Using 3 Big Mouths too.

Dave0176

@Stephen Minnich welcome to the party.............

Dave0176

@Stephen Minnich are you threading by hand???

Steve Minnich

Thanks Dave. We have a 300 and a 700. If I'm mad at Tim, I'll make him do some by hand : ).

EzzyT

Looking good @Stephen Minnich

Paul S_3

Nice job!! @Stephen Minnich

Paul S_3

@Dave0176 ..... threading by hand with the 141 threader takes about 20 minutes to a half hour .....ive done some 4inch by hand a few times

Steve Minnich

@Dave0176 - I had 3 of your job pics printed in 8 x10 size that I use as friendly reminders to myself on the job. Actually, I have a pic folder on my iPad of steam jobs that include Frank, Charlie, Paul S, Ezzy, Chris, Gerry Gill, and a few others.

I'm not ready for the ones like Paul S and Ironman just did but maybe in a year or so?

Steamhead

Looking good!

DanHolohan

Proud of you, Stephen!

New England SteamWorks

By the book. Sweet...

Ironman

Looks great!

It looks like you're having the same issue with suppliers that I have: nobody seems to have reducing Tees or Ells in large sizes.

Ironman

Stephen Minnich said:

@Dave0176 - I had 3 of your job pics printed in 8 x10 size that I use as friendly reminders to myself on the job. Actually, I have a pic folder on my iPad of steam jobs that include Frank, Charlie, Paul S, Ezzy, Chris, Gerry Gill, and a few others.



I'm not ready for the ones like Paul S and Ironman just did but maybe in a year or so?

I don't think you realize just how capable you are.

DanHolohan

I think you'll be getting a lot more of this work, Stephen.

hot_rod

The evolution of the "tin man" nice work!

Steve Minnich

Thank you, everyone! I have great teachers in you guys. When the student is ready...
Yeah, I was a union tinner from '86 to '92.

lchmb

awsome job!! have to love a black iron job...specially when done right..

Steve Minnich

The returns and Hartford Loop.

Steve Minnich

I missed this though. I talked to Charlie and these two returns need to be tied in together below the water line.

And, the vents need to be moved back.

Grrr.

Dave0176

Stephen Minnich said:

The returns and Hartford Loop.

Wow that looks familiar lol.............. nice job man keep em going.

Dave0176

Ironman said:

Looks great!

It looks like you're having the same issue with suppliers that I have: nobody seems to have reducing Tees or Ells in large sizes.

@Ironman Forget supplyhouse.com anymore they just don't seem to be keeping stock like they used to. My local plumbing supply rep has brought a ton Ward cast iron fittings for me and is stocking the shelves with them. If your in Jersey check out WA Birdsall plumbing, great people, old school type supply house. He is stocking most of the 3" and 4" fittings I need, anytype. For 5" up to 8" he said just let him know ahead as they can get direct shipments from Ward.

Steve Minnich

@Dave0176 - I swear your job pic was hanging from the wall as I piped it. I just want to do it right.

How is it that those returns worked all those decades? Are the systems that forgiving?

Dave0176

Stephen Minnich said:

@Dave0176 - I swear your job pic was hanging from the wall as I piped it. I just want to do it right.

How is it that those returns worked all those decades? Are the systems that forgiving?

@Stephen Minnich I suppose they were, at least when they were large water content boilers. They didn't really care if the water didn't return, they had plenty of it. Unfortunately the small steam boiler were all familiar with these days is awfully sensitive to condensate return. This is the reason on jobs with wet returns I try hard to get the HO to replace the 80 yo wet returns with fresh pipe. Every time I cut into those old wet returns their almost clogged solid.

adambnyc

I love this stuff. I'm not sure by looking at the pic. The header looks kinda level. Probably not an issue, but I usually see the guys on here provide more of a slope toward the equalizer so water doesn't sit. Again, hard to tell by the pics and without seeing a level sitting on top.

Steve Minnich

Its pitched.

Steve Minnich

This may show it a bit better.

Dave0176

@Stephen Minnich with this size boiler I'd would've use two 3" risers. Because with the 2" risers you're steam velocity leaving the boiler is 29.1 fps. It's not crazy but not near our comfort zone of 15 fps. Two 3" risers come in at 13.39 fps. Again I'm very anal about these details. It's just me.

neilc

misread message above,
question withdrawn.

Steve Minnich

@Dave0176 - Good to know. Others have told me I overdid it. For now, following the Peerless Manual as best I can and applying what I've learned here is all I've got. I do know it's running at about .1 PSI and that radiators that have never heated are now heating very well.

Progress, not perfection. : )

SWEI

That drop header and the bit of extra height can work wonders.

Dave0176 said:

with the 2" risers you're steam velocity leaving the boiler is 29.1 fps.

I get 32 FPS at 0.1 PSI -- or did I miss something?

2-1/2" risers would drop it to 22.5 FPS if my math is correct.