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First double riser, drop header
Steve Minnich
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The old boiler had seen better days. It burned through the cabinet, rusted out, and was shut down before I even bid on its replacement. It was also grossly oversized based on the connected load. The Peerless 63-05 was delivered late morning. Not like Ironman's job but fun for me nonetheless. See any issues so far?
Steve Minnich
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Now that's what I call a header. Beautiful.Two-pipe Trane vaporvacuum system; 1466 edr
Twinned, staged Slantfin TR50s piped into 4" header with Riello G400 burners; 240K lead, 200K lag Btus. Controlled by Taco Relay and Honeywell RTH6580WF1 -
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It looks great @Stephen Minnich , Only one Main? Are you sure that main doesn't Tee off and go two directions? If so, now would be the time to split it and drop both Mains into the Header. Just looks like a good size boiler for a single main.1
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@Stephen Minnich welcome to the party.............
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@Stephen Minnich are you threading by hand???DL Mechanical LLC Heating, Cooling and Plumbing 732-266-5386
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Thanks Dave. We have a 300 and a 700. If I'm mad at Tim, I'll make him do some by hand : ).Steve Minnich0
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Nice job!! @Stephen MinnichASM Mechanical Company
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@Dave0176 ..... threading by hand with the 141 threader takes about 20 minutes to a half hour .....ive done some 4inch by hand a few timesASM Mechanical Company
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@Dave0176 - I had 3 of your job pics printed in 8 x10 size that I use as friendly reminders to myself on the job. Actually, I have a pic folder on my iPad of steam jobs that include Frank, Charlie, Paul S, Ezzy, Chris, Gerry Gill, and a few others.
I'm not ready for the ones like Paul S and Ironman just did but maybe in a year or so?Steve Minnich
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Proud of you, Stephen!Retired and loving it.2
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By the book. Sweet...New England SteamWorks
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Looks great!
It looks like you're having the same issue with suppliers that I have: nobody seems to have reducing Tees or Ells in large sizes.Bob Boan
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I don't think you realize just how capable you are.Stephen Minnich said:@Dave0176 - I had 3 of your job pics printed in 8 x10 size that I use as friendly reminders to myself on the job. Actually, I have a pic folder on my iPad of steam jobs that include Frank, Charlie, Paul S, Ezzy, Chris, Gerry Gill, and a few others.
I'm not ready for the ones like Paul S and Ironman just did but maybe in a year or so?
Bob Boan
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I think you'll be getting a lot more of this work, Stephen.Retired and loving it.1
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The evolution of the "tin man" nice work!Bob "hot rod" Rohr
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Thank you, everyone! I have great teachers in you guys. When the student is ready...
Yeah, I was a union tinner from '86 to '92.Steve Minnich1 -
awsome job!! have to love a black iron job...specially when done right..1
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I missed this though. I talked to Charlie and these two returns need to be tied in together below the water line.
And, the vents need to be moved back.
Grrr.
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Wow that looks familiar lol.............. nice job man keep em going.Stephen Minnich said:The returns and Hartford Loop.
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@Ironman Forget supplyhouse.com anymore they just don't seem to be keeping stock like they used to. My local plumbing supply rep has brought a ton Ward cast iron fittings for me and is stocking the shelves with them. If your in Jersey check out WA Birdsall plumbing, great people, old school type supply house. He is stocking most of the 3" and 4" fittings I need, anytype. For 5" up to 8" he said just let him know ahead as they can get direct shipments from Ward.Ironman said:Looks great!
It looks like you're having the same issue with suppliers that I have: nobody seems to have reducing Tees or Ells in large sizes.DL Mechanical LLC Heating, Cooling and Plumbing 732-266-5386
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@Dave0176 - I swear your job pic was hanging from the wall as I piped it. I just want to do it right.
How is it that those returns worked all those decades? Are the systems that forgiving?Steve Minnich0 -
@Stephen Minnich I suppose they were, at least when they were large water content boilers. They didn't really care if the water didn't return, they had plenty of it. Unfortunately the small steam boiler were all familiar with these days is awfully sensitive to condensate return. This is the reason on jobs with wet returns I try hard to get the HO to replace the 80 yo wet returns with fresh pipe. Every time I cut into those old wet returns their almost clogged solid.Stephen Minnich said:@Dave0176 - I swear your job pic was hanging from the wall as I piped it. I just want to do it right.
How is it that those returns worked all those decades? Are the systems that forgiving?DL Mechanical LLC Heating, Cooling and Plumbing 732-266-5386
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I love this stuff. I'm not sure by looking at the pic. The header looks kinda level. Probably not an issue, but I usually see the guys on here provide more of a slope toward the equalizer so water doesn't sit. Again, hard to tell by the pics and without seeing a level sitting on top.0
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Its pitched.Steve Minnich0
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@Stephen Minnich with this size boiler I'd would've use two 3" risers. Because with the 2" risers you're steam velocity leaving the boiler is 29.1 fps. It's not crazy but not near our comfort zone of 15 fps. Two 3" risers come in at 13.39 fps. Again I'm very anal about these details. It's just me.DL Mechanical LLC Heating, Cooling and Plumbing 732-266-5386
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misread message above,
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@Dave0176 - Good to know. Others have told me I overdid it. For now, following the Peerless Manual as best I can and applying what I've learned here is all I've got. I do know it's running at about .1 PSI and that radiators that have never heated are now heating very well.
Progress, not perfection. : )Steve Minnich0 -
That drop header and the bit of extra height can work wonders.
I get 32 FPS at 0.1 PSI -- or did I miss something?Dave0176 said:with the 2" risers you're steam velocity leaving the boiler is 29.1 fps.
2-1/2" risers would drop it to 22.5 FPS if my math is correct.0
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