Faucet brands
I need to replace my kitchen faucet and I need to go kinda cheap on it.
The current Delta Leland faucet is shot. I never liked it and I'm really not impressed at all. The diamond seals don't seem to last any longer than anything else.
My question is what's your preferred brand and why?
I like T&S brass but it's not going to work for this application as I need a single hole faucet
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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I've liked the American Standard and Kohler stuff I've used. Delta and Moen have put fancy finishes on the same basic designs and jacked their prices up to near Kohler and American Standard levels while the mechanical designs of the 2 latter are significantly better. I've had to replace the ceramic hot cartridge in the 2 handle American Standard about 3 times over the past 25 years. The single handle Kohler is about 10 years old and hasn't leaked yet although the pause button on the pull down spray popped off and disappeared a couple years in. I think they would send me a new spray if I went though the process to ask for one.
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Still looking for something decent without paying an arm and a leg. I have been through 3 kitchen faucets in 16 years……well maybe more like 2 I just change it a year ago. Have a Moen now had Delta before.
Whenever they start acting up I try and rebuild them but have never had any success. The inside are usually to gunked up and corroded.
In the two bathrooms I have Simmons. They have been good. I put new cartridges in one of them last year. My first success!!!!
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My experience with delta has been that you have to use acid like citric acid or vinegar to clean the mineral deposits off of the ports and the stainless plate or ball and absolutely no abrasives before replacing the seats and springs or the new ones don't last very long.
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Ive been putting Chicago Faucet and Gerberit in the buildings' apartments. One and done.
I can't stand Moen, but a plumber friend of mine loves em. Go figure.
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doesn’t matter the quality or price, hard water will require maintenance.
This was a Home Depot purchase, I don’t remember, or see a name on it. It has performed well, for 3 years now. Remove aerator ocassionally to soak in vinegar.
Tall spout with long reach, nice pull out hose construction
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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Single hole needed.
Garbage disposal switch and drinking water faucet in the others.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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Is that style control easy to control the water temp? The Delta Leland style is very hard to use on the side like that. And with good hot water it's way too finicky.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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It's a shame that your delta faucet has been a bust. I have had very good luck with them. Have been installing for decades with no concerns.
Another I recommend is a Kohler Faucet. I like them for many reasons. One in particular is that they do not have big box packaging, so they are not substituting their quality for the big box hardware store thing. Or at least I haven't noticed any special packaging yet. Moen has a great warranty. Unfortunately you will have to use it.
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The kohler I have has the spout mounted in one hole and the valve in another. You could always punch another hole in the sink. I have a water filter spout in one hole, the air gap for the dishwasher in another and the faucet in the other 2.
This is the one I bought. It cost about $60 less in 2015
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Works fine for me, typically I go full hot to pre-rinse dishes or fill the basin to soak stuff. Or full cold to fill the tea kettle.
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
Living the hydronic dream1 -
Full hot here is 140.
Sometimes I want to wash my hands etc.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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we have two coffee bars and those faucets have handled the abuse. Water temp is 120-ish.
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Why do people want to "cheap out" on a kitchen faucet? I ask clients, "how important is this device to your life?" Or "how many times a day is this device used?" I also use the phrase "water (clean, potable) is life." Moen is a good brand. Al Moen invented the single handled faucet. Moen products have a lifetime of the original purchaser guarantee on parts. Chicago faucets are solid. So are Grohe. Kohler is generally good.
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If you want cheap and easy to service, get a Delta. I've used them in apartments forever because they are easily serviceable. Lately though, they've turned so skimpy I've switched to Gerber, which are expensive but prison-quality-bullet-proof.
A $40 plastic Delta from the special Chinesium "Home Depot consumer line" is about the cheapest serviceable faucet you'll find. But remember you get no more than you pay for. Don't overtighten the nuts.
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But more $$ may not get you any better valve mechanism. Maybe more brass or a designer look. It's the pieces in the water flow that take the beating. Even the high dollar faucets with ceramic cartridges fail. Buy spare cartridges when you buy a high end faucet. In my experience the cartridges become un-obtainable in a few years.
If the "feel" of the faucet is important, solid brass is still available from Chicago, Zurn, T&S and other commercial names.
On our current bath remodel I went with the Moen ARRIS line and was surprised how heavy the lav and tub fillers are, still some brass in this line and mid price range
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
Living the hydronic dream2 -
I didn't mean that cheap I just can't do $400-500 right now. $150-200 wouldn't be an issue.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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That's the thing I think this one was $300 and it's been pretty bad it's entire life.
T&S makes an awesome faucet but I don't think any are 1 hole?
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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Why do so many plumbers like Delta and dislike Moen?
Or is that just skewed by who I've talked to? I've never used a Moen I didn't like.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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There you go:
Probably can find a similar price Kohler or American Standard. The pull down or out spout is what would really jack up the price if you need that.
Or this if you want to punch a 2nd hole:
Looks like it actually sells for around $225.
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Furgeson
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Screw Home Cheapo, blows and Amazon
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Delta used to take a lot of us plumbers to the Indy 500.
They always had good factory tours and great customer loyalty programs. The had "A" level reps where I worked. Must have bought a lot of loyalty:)
It has always been the Delta ball, vs the Moen cartridge. I didn't so much like the Moen pull out as people would rip the T/S valves off the mount screws when the cartridge seized. The Delta ball was more user friendly in that respect, regardless if it was a kitchen, lav or TS valve.
T&S pre-rinse faucets have always been single hole, if you are into the industrial look.
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
Living the hydronic dream2 -
Delta and moen were great in to the early 2000's or so then they decided they needed to make them cheaper and prettier and charge more for them.
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I prefer Kohler for lavatory, bath and shower. Was big fan of the gooseneck kitchen faicetts but had too many problems with hose failing and leaking back under sink.
I have a small Grohle with pull out spray on prep sinkand a lower cost commercial type faucet from signature faucets on large sink.
We previously bought a higher end commercial faucet from signature faucets. I was impressed with the finish and heft; sprayer and potfiller were nice. Unfortunately it was too big to fit under the plate rack the boss picked out so we bought smaller version. Still have downstairs, should take to habitat for humanity.
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i rescind my american standard recommendation.
I replaced the hot cartridge once about 10+ years in under warranty. The new cartridge was a different design. I replaced that cartridge in 2022 under warranty. It started leaking again in 2024. i bought a new cartridge instead of dealing with the warranty process again. That cartridge just failed this morning.
the 2022 cartridge had the stem get loose from the plastic carrier the disc is on so it was drilling because it wasn't closing the disc all the way when the stem hit the stop. This morning the stem broke loose i think from the disc carrier, i haven't opened it up yet and the handle turns loosely from stop to stop without turning the water on. i'm not sure but i think i might have used both cartridges they sent me in 2022 to fix the hot again before i bought a cartridge.
the newer cartridges looked the same as the 2nd cartridge that lasted a decade so i'm not sure if it is a manufacturing defect or if they changed the plastic or made some change i didn't notice but until they get this sorted out i can't recommend them.
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There was a time when faucets used dirt cheap washers that were easy to replace and could be bought anywhere.…
It feels like things got worse even though the faucet manufacturers claim it's better....
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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i like stuff with stops that don't move for kitchen and bathroom stuff though single handle is really the reason to go with washerless. it takes a lot of labor to clean up the parts when you regasket a compression faucet so replacing a cartridge is probably cheaper if you're paying someone $100/hr. standard washers aren't quite hard enough for hot water. but for the most part it is marketing. the way the first and second cartridge were manufactured seemed reasonable although i regasket my shower valve about as often as those cartridges lasted.
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We now use Gerber in our apartments with plain compression washers. Not pretty but solid brass, prison quality as used in public housing projects. Haven't changed a washer in eight years.
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Just as an fyi. Most of the faucets I have been around are set up so you can use it single hole, or three hole. When going three hole, they come with a plate that just covers the additional holes. Might want to look at that.
Rick
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Do they have such a thing for single hole or all of those only 3?
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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As to bathroom faucets, I have two Delta brand in two bathrooms when I purchased the house in 1996 - that clearly date back to the 60s or early 70's. I purchased a new ball like valve/stem and three replaceable washes a few years ago that fixed a drip issue. The local Plumbing Family-owned supply shop told me many new plumbing fixtures no longer even have the name on them - just passing along what I was told
Whats the lifespan of a new bathroom faucet today and are repair kits available for them like my Delta?
All the best,
RTW
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I think if you buy good T&S brass ones they'll last just as long.
But the single handle ones…no idea. Apparently 10 years +-.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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Chris, I have a kohler simplise that replaced a delta that replaced a moen . I had the moen for almost 20 years until the brass rotted out in a few places. the delta just had bad handle control and the kohler has been really nice for the last few years without a hitch. got it from Ferguson for not very much compared to other options and do recommend it. My sister has the single hole version of this.
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This is a really stupid question but how do these controls work. I assume away from the faucet is on and front/back is hot and cold? So you can turn it on and off without changing the temp?
Or is it the same as what I have where you need to go in and centered to be off.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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You are correct that on/off is separate from temp control. One of the main reasons I did not like the delta. This seems well made and I don't know if there is a difference between supply house places and big box stores. I suspect there is.
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Whole bunch of one holers.
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Also, there are no stupid questions. Otherwise I'd hold the title for asking stupid questions :)
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I'm liking the view out the window. Does that come with the faucet.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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Not in the accessory list. What I would like is if shooting out the window was allowed here. the deer have been plentiful and in the warm season my wife would gladly like if some Hosta eating prevention could be happening. We have a creek running just down the hill and it's a travel path for the herd.
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