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Best Toilets

Robert_TRobert_T Member Posts: 2
We have been using Niagra Conservation Flaperless toilets in our buildings for at least ten years. They are so ultimately simple as when you eliminate the flapper you have gotten rid of about 80% of toilet problems. They make at least three designs and ratings from .8 of a gallon to 1.6 gallons per flush. We have mostly used the 1.6-gallon unit with excellent results. It is a mystery to me that they are not better known. For a couple of years, they were sold by Home Depot relabeled as Glacier Bay toilets.

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  • HVACNUTHVACNUT Member Posts: 3,350
    Check the thread "Toilets" in the plumbing category by @ChrisJ .
  • hot_rodhot_rod Member Posts: 13,313
    I have one of those, works great, I use flush 1 most all the time without issues. I'd like a bit larger water spot.
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    The magic is in hydronics, and hydronics is in me
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 10,973
    hot_rod said:

    I have one of those, works great, I use flush 1 most all the time without issues. I'd like a bit larger water spot.

    I have a 1.6 Gerber in my upstairs bathroom that uses a normal size flapper and I get by with 1 flush all of the time. Literally never any streaks, huge water spot and flushes really good

    How is works great defined as getting by with 1 flush most of the time on a modern toilet? ;)
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
    kcopp
  • ethicalpaulethicalpaul Member Posts: 1,599
    ChrisJ said:

    hot_rod said:

    I have one of those, works great, I use flush 1 most all the time without issues. I'd like a bit larger water spot.

    I have a 1.6 Gerber in my upstairs bathroom that uses a normal size flapper and I get by with 1 flush all of the time. Literally never any streaks, huge water spot and flushes really good

    How is works great defined as getting by with 1 flush most of the time on a modern toilet? ;)
    I'm assuming that "flush 1" (not "1 flush") means it has two flush volumes (number 1 and number 2 haha) and he gets by with the smaller flush volume almost all the time.

    But I look forward to the real answer!
    1 pipe Utica 112 in Cedar Grove, NJ, coal > oil > NG
    mattmia2
  • jumperjumper Member Posts: 1,450
    There's flappers and then there are superior flappers. Same goes for fill valves. Fillpro s needed shock arrester.
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 10,973
    > @jumper said:
    > There's flappers and then there are superior flappers. Same goes for fill valves. Fillpro s needed shock arrester.

    What flappers do you find hold up well?

    The bell siphon setup common in Europe seems superior imo.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 213
    I used wall toilets in my last project .... using in my newest as well. They are very nice -- work great. the new has what is called rim flush
  • HomerJSmithHomerJSmith Member Posts: 923
    I find that the best toilet is the one you can get to in a hurry when you need to.
    SuperTechcnmdesign
  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,748
    Just installed the American standard cadet Pro and one of my rental units. I like how simple the lines are. Also, how many y’all still use the old style chrome supply tubes? Those flex supplies are gross
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 10,973
    > @GW said:
    > Just installed the American standard cadet Pro and one of my rental units. I like how simple the lines are. Also, how many y’all still use the old style chrome supply tubes? Those flex supplies are gross

    I had chrome last time but this time around I didn't feel like it.

    I'll be honest, that rubber cove based ruins it.

    Hey, are you the guy cooling off and laughing with N2?
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 10,973
    Well, this happened while I had a nap.
    Apparently the incoming pressure isn't always 88 psi.

    @hot_rod
    My precharge..... Should that match the no flow pressure of the prv?
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,748
    edited July 4
    Oh well it is an apartment.

    You saw my nitrogen bath video?
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 10,973
    > @GW said:
    > Oh well it is an apartment.
    >
    > You saw my nitrogen bath video?

    I thought so but I wasn't sure if that was you. I thought it looked like you. I need to like your page.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,748
    That’s me, I think most folks don’t love their job as much as I do, I’m a blessed man
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
  • JUGHNEJUGHNE Member Posts: 6,896
    Gary, I see you use "Glassboard" for wall covering in that bath room. Great idea for a rental, that (with 1/2" plywood) is used here in dairy barns for wash down capability and a cow might now break the wall very easily.

    Perhaps I am seeing wrong, but is the tank nut on the supply line crooked or cross thread.

    You mentioned simple lines. Maybe 30 years ago toilet bowls had a smooth skirt down the sides with no bumps showing.
    The first one like yours I installed in a custom house the GC did not like the exposed "large intestine" showing on the sides.
    He was the same GC who questioned, at that time, the AC disconnect cluttering up the side of the house......he said that my competing sub never installed them, just hard wired.
    Of course everyone now includes them.
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 10,973
    I don't think you could cross thread a fill valve nut. But I hope I don't see thread sealer on a compression fitting......
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • JUGHNEJUGHNE Member Posts: 6,896
    I have seen them cross threaded, the rubber nose cone still seals. Until you have to change something.
    Maybe even almost did one myself. Plastic threads, both male and female are sometimes a curse.
    ChrisJ
  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,748
    It does look crooked but I’m quite sure it’s straight. Now that you say something, I only hand tightened that nut! I cranked it hard with my vice grip fingers though.

    Oh no you see some Teflon dope. Shux
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,748
    J I think you need to go way beyond 30 years to find a smooth sided toilet. I started in the early- mid 80s as a young man and I don’t ever recall a smooth sided bowl.
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
  • BillyOBillyO Member Posts: 186
    Ferguson, The king of toilets
    The stradivarius of bowls
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 10,973
    > @GW said:
    > It does look crooked but I’m quite sure it’s straight. Now that you say something, I only hand tightened that nut! I cranked it hard with my vice grip fingers though.
    >
    > Oh no you see some Teflon dope. Shux

    Why Teflon dope on a compression joint?
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,748
    Chromes don’t seat/bite as well as copper but I’ve done it all my life (both copper and chrome supply)
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
  • JUGHNEJUGHNE Member Posts: 6,896
    Maybe I am older than I think I am. ;) But I do recall the smooth sided WC's sometime in my past lifetimes. They were good and easy for wipedowns.
    I do use La-Co Slicktite teflon paste on all plastic and all union threads and heaven forbid, even the ground union faces.
    It is basically a lubricant. Especially on ground joint PVC P-traps connections. Also on all slip joint washers and threads.
    You can feel the difference as you tighten them up with or without the paste.
    Just an old guy thing.
    ChrisJrick in AlaskaGW
  • MikeL_2MikeL_2 Member Posts: 255
    We use stainless flex & chrome plated toilet supply tubing, but never any plastic nuts.....
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 10,973
    MikeL_2 said:

    We use stainless flex & chrome plated toilet supply tubing, but never any plastic nuts.....

    No plastic nuts? Why not?
    What do you screw that metal nut onto, a plastic Fluidmaster?

    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • MikeL_2MikeL_2 Member Posts: 255
    I've seen several of those nuts fracture at their ultrasonic weld; usually due to water hammer or overtighening, I think.
  • GWGW Member Posts: 3,748
    Wow never seen plastic nuts fail, that’s a bummer
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    www.wilsonph.com
    [email protected]
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