Best Toilets

Robert_T

We have been using Niagra Conservation Flaperless toilets in our buildings for at least ten years. They are so ultimately simple as when you eliminate the flapper you have gotten rid of about 80% of toilet problems. They make at least three designs and ratings from .8 of a gallon to 1.6 gallons per flush. We have mostly used the 1.6-gallon unit with excellent results. It is a mystery to me that they are not better known. For a couple of years, they were sold by Home Depot relabeled as Glacier Bay toilets.

HVACNUT

Check the thread "Toilets" in the plumbing category by @ChrisJ .

hot_rod

I have one of those, works great, I use flush 1 most all the time without issues. I'd like a bit larger water spot.

ChrisJ

hot_rod said:

I have one of those, works great, I use flush 1 most all the time without issues. I'd like a bit larger water spot.

I have a 1.6 Gerber in my upstairs bathroom that uses a normal size flapper and I get by with 1 flush all of the time. Literally never any streaks, huge water spot and flushes really good

How is works great defined as getting by with 1 flush most of the time on a modern toilet?

ethicalpaul

ChrisJ said:

hot_rod said:

I have one of those, works great, I use flush 1 most all the time without issues. I'd like a bit larger water spot.

I have a 1.6 Gerber in my upstairs bathroom that uses a normal size flapper and I get by with 1 flush all of the time. Literally never any streaks, huge water spot and flushes really good

How is works great defined as getting by with 1 flush most of the time on a modern toilet?

I'm assuming that "flush 1" (not "1 flush") means it has two flush volumes (number 1 and number 2 haha) and he gets by with the smaller flush volume almost all the time.

But I look forward to the real answer!

jumper

There's flappers and then there are superior flappers. Same goes for fill valves. Fillpro s needed shock arrester.

ChrisJ

> @jumper said:
> There's flappers and then there are superior flappers. Same goes for fill valves. Fillpro s needed shock arrester.

What flappers do you find hold up well?

The bell siphon setup common in Europe seems superior imo.

TAG

I used wall toilets in my last project .... using in my newest as well. They are very nice -- work great. the new has what is called rim flush

HomerJSmith

I find that the best toilet is the one you can get to in a hurry when you need to.

GW

Just installed the American standard cadet Pro and one of my rental units. I like how simple the lines are. Also, how many y’all still use the old style chrome supply tubes? Those flex supplies are gross

ChrisJ

> @GW said:
> Just installed the American standard cadet Pro and one of my rental units. I like how simple the lines are. Also, how many y’all still use the old style chrome supply tubes? Those flex supplies are gross

I had chrome last time but this time around I didn't feel like it.

I'll be honest, that rubber cove based ruins it.

Hey, are you the guy cooling off and laughing with N2?

ChrisJ

Well, this happened while I had a nap.
Apparently the incoming pressure isn't always 88 psi.

@hot_rod
My precharge..... Should that match the no flow pressure of the prv?

GW

Oh well it is an apartment.

You saw my nitrogen bath video?

ChrisJ

> @GW said:
> Oh well it is an apartment.
>
> You saw my nitrogen bath video?

I thought so but I wasn't sure if that was you. I thought it looked like you. I need to like your page.

GW

That’s me, I think most folks don’t love their job as much as I do, I’m a blessed man

JUGHNE

Gary, I see you use "Glassboard" for wall covering in that bath room. Great idea for a rental, that (with 1/2" plywood) is used here in dairy barns for wash down capability and a cow might now break the wall very easily.

Perhaps I am seeing wrong, but is the tank nut on the supply line crooked or cross thread.

You mentioned simple lines. Maybe 30 years ago toilet bowls had a smooth skirt down the sides with no bumps showing.
The first one like yours I installed in a custom house the GC did not like the exposed "large intestine" showing on the sides.
He was the same GC who questioned, at that time, the AC disconnect cluttering up the side of the house......he said that my competing sub never installed them, just hard wired.
Of course everyone now includes them.

ChrisJ

I don't think you could cross thread a fill valve nut. But I hope I don't see thread sealer on a compression fitting......

JUGHNE

I have seen them cross threaded, the rubber nose cone still seals. Until you have to change something.
Maybe even almost did one myself. Plastic threads, both male and female are sometimes a curse.

GW

It does look crooked but I’m quite sure it’s straight. Now that you say something, I only hand tightened that nut! I cranked it hard with my vice grip fingers though.

Oh no you see some Teflon dope. Shux

GW

J I think you need to go way beyond 30 years to find a smooth sided toilet. I started in the early- mid 80s as a young man and I don’t ever recall a smooth sided bowl.

BillyO

Ferguson, The king of toilets
The stradivarius of bowls

ChrisJ

> @GW said:
> It does look crooked but I’m quite sure it’s straight. Now that you say something, I only hand tightened that nut! I cranked it hard with my vice grip fingers though.
>
> Oh no you see some Teflon dope. Shux

Why Teflon dope on a compression joint?

GW

Chromes don’t seat/bite as well as copper but I’ve done it all my life (both copper and chrome supply)

JUGHNE

Maybe I am older than I think I am. But I do recall the smooth sided WC's sometime in my past lifetimes. They were good and easy for wipedowns.
I do use La-Co Slicktite teflon paste on all plastic and all union threads and heaven forbid, even the ground union faces.
It is basically a lubricant. Especially on ground joint PVC P-traps connections. Also on all slip joint washers and threads.
You can feel the difference as you tighten them up with or without the paste.
Just an old guy thing.

MikeL_2

We use stainless flex & chrome plated toilet supply tubing, but never any plastic nuts.....

ChrisJ

MikeL_2 said:

We use stainless flex & chrome plated toilet supply tubing, but never any plastic nuts.....

No plastic nuts? Why not?
What do you screw that metal nut onto, a plastic Fluidmaster?

MikeL_2

I've seen several of those nuts fracture at their ultrasonic weld; usually due to water hammer or overtighening, I think.

GW

Wow never seen plastic nuts fail, that’s a bummer

BillyO

overtightened, I have been using factory supplied nuts forever with copper chrome supplies and never a problem

MikeL_2

There is plenty of info out there on plastic nut failure, and the ensuing water damage.
I only needed to see one such failure to revert to brass nuts..........

BillyO

are you putting brass nuts on plastic shanks?

GW

Mike which nut is it that we speak? Holding the fill valve or holding the supply tube? You’re sure it wasn’t over tightened? As you know it or has a rubber gasket it just barely needs a wrench

ChrisJ

MikeL_2 said:

There is plenty of info out there on plastic nut failure, and the ensuing water damage.

I only needed to see one such failure to revert to brass nuts..........

To be fair,
There's plenty of info out there on pex, pvc, copper, galv pipe all failing and the ensuing water damage. Every material and design out there needs to be done correctly.

MikeL_2

I've witnessed so much in my 50 plus year career, why tempt fate? A quick closing ballcock can create pressure spikes much like a fast closing solenoid.
I despise csst, pvc pipe for combustion venting, plastic female adapters, plastic companion nuts, dry horizontal plumbing vents below fixture flood level, insulated piping in exposed cavities, uncaulked fixtures, return mounted circulators, and I could go on. Safety & liability are first for me, always. I try to live by " perfect practice makes perfect "( a quote by John Wooden - google his pyramid of success), I've seen too many flawed techniques perfected. I use " best standard practice " as a guide, and always strive to be a good student & teacher.......

Solid_Fuel_Man

Ok...am I the only one who uses these?

Mercury plastics PEX risers. I like them because I've never had a leak, you can cut them to length to avoid the S.S.flex pretzels. And they are dirt cheap.

I cannot say the same for chrome risers.

ChrisJ

Solid_Fuel_Man said:

Ok...am I the only one who uses these?



Mercury plastics PEX risers. I like them because I've never had a leak, you can cut them to length to avoid the S.S.flex pretzels. And they are dirt cheap.

If they manufacture them and sell them at a reasonable price I highly doubt you're the only one using them.

ethicalpaul

JUGHNE said:

Gary, I see you use "Glassboard" for wall covering in that bath room. Great idea for a rental, that (with 1/2" plywood) is used here in dairy barns for wash down capability and a cow might now break the wall very easily.

Hey! Something I actually know a ton about! That's FRP, Fiberglass Reinforced Polyester, in a pebble-grain pattern. I worked for 17 years at a flush door manufacturer that used them for door and panel facesheets.

It's extremely durable, but somewhat UV-fade prone, and not really great in a fire test