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Looking to Identify Radiator Manufacturer c.1900-02 with "P" wreath logo

Any historic radiator enthusiasts/experts ? I believe this radiator probably would date to either 1900 or 1902. It appears to have a "P" logo (?) on the fitting (see photo). Trying to learn manufacturer, and would love to see a catalog image if possible. Thanks all.





Gounthar Frankfurt

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  • Someone on another site posted a very similar logo for Pierce, Butler, & Pierce in Syracuse, NY. The house is in Syracuse so this makes sense! This is wonderful, now I need to find a period catalog.
  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 6,581
    The logo is on the valve which is not part of the radiator and quite often is not made by the radiator manufacturer.

    You can order "EDR Every Darn Radiator" from the book store on this site and maybe find it in there.

    I've been doing this for over 45 years and never seen one like that.

    Please let us know what you discover.
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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 14,850
    That's a special type of "window radiator", so called because it was designed to fit under a window with a low sill height. I've seen illustrations of these before but can't remember where.

    The logo on the valve is definitely Pierce, Butler & Pierce. They may have made the rad but it doesn't appear in "E.D.R." in that company's listing.
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  • SeanBeans
    SeanBeans Member Posts: 483
    Very cool!
    BethCrawford134delta T
  • khkiley
    khkiley Member Posts: 16
    Could it be directional? Those vanes look like it is made to pick the cold air off the floor, heat it and direct it into the room.
    BethCrawford134
  • mikeg2015
    mikeg2015 Member Posts: 1,183
    > @khkiley said:
    > Could it be directional? Those vanes look like it is made to pick the cold air off the floor, heat it and direct it into the room.

    I agree. I suspect that was the intent. In practice it probably
    Doesn’t work that well because the spacing between the “vanes” would be too wide and velocity too low. Convection would still pull most warm air upwards Within a couple inches from the radiator face. It would need to be a lot taller to make that work, more vanes and tighter clearances.


    Pretty unique radiator otherwise. Although in all honestly, not the most attractive IMO. A bit too utilitarian.
    ethicalpaul
  • Dave_132
    Dave_132 Member Posts: 61
    It almost looks like An un skinned boiler with the burners and trim missing. I always think of all the history that took place in the house. If the walls could talk.
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  • lornfile
    lornfile Member Posts: 2
    I'm a bit worried that this might be a steam radiator - there is a slight risk that they might explode!
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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 14,850
    Steam radiators are no more likely to explode than hot-water ones- which is to say, not likely.
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  • Thank you all for your comments. None of the radiators are still connected (no explosions!). We are restoring the house and will keep them in place, no matter what. This one pictured is in the entry vestibule....I need to go back and look at the others (three much longer ones) that are under the built in bay window benches to see if they are the same with the radiating vanes...interesting thought it might direct heat "out" into the room from under the bay windows. These were not fancy "exposed" Victorian radiators....but buried under a bench. All the other radiators (upstairs) were removed mid to late 20th century I think and I do not know what they looked like. We will be putting a new heating system into the house (a museum quality restoration) and will most likely be doing high velocity forced air system like Unico or SpacePak. All comments are welcome!- B
  • benkeyes
    benkeyes Member Posts: 1
    This is a "Niagara Flue" design from the Niagara Radiator and Boiler Company.

    there was a previous posting here with one of these :
    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/149458/can-anyone-identify-this-radiator

    since seeing that post, I've been coveting one for the pure craziness of the engineering which clearly went into it.

    these are intended to be under window seats and the like. the American Radiator Company "Aetna Flue" design is also intended for that sort of application, but is more ornamental and lacks the cool directional fins. amusingly enough, you get pics of the link to the prior posting here looking to id the Niagara when you google Aetna Flue.

    googling Niagara radiator company pulls up an image which actually only appears in to be in the google cache/search results as the page linked to doesn't have it live. it refers to an episode of a "Salvage Dawgs" on DIY Network.

    I have a saved craigslist search covering most of the midwest and came across someone with several of them near Dayton OH, but could never come up with the time to plan a trip to get any of them, to say nothing of their wanting to get $500+ per for them, which is a wee bit outside of a reasonable price range...
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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 14,850
    @BethCrawford134 , why not put in a system that will use the radiators?
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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 3,987
    My thought looking at it was as stated above from the actual ID that it wasn't designed to be exposed but was designed to be a heat source within an enclosure.