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Noritz Acquires Peerless Boiler

IronmanIronman Posts: 4,904Member

Bob Boan


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  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Posts: 5,306Member
    LOL the end of cast iron boilers
  • RayWohlfarthRayWohlfarth Posts: 627Member
    Wow never saw that coming
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  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,467Member, Moderator, Administrator
    The good people stay, and with a lot more money backing them. I like it.
    Retired and loving it.
  • STEAM DOCTORSTEAM DOCTOR Posts: 840Member
    Anyone with any connections? Can we convince them to not use cyclegard? And to use 24v LWCO? And to install pressure relief valve on top instead of on side(less likely to clog)? Hopefully new ownership will be open to improvements on an already great product.
  • Erin Holohan HaskellErin Holohan Haskell Posts: 920Member, Moderator, Administrator
  • SteamheadSteamhead Posts: 12,731Member

    The good people stay, and with a lot more money backing them. I like it.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens a year or so from now. Having watched some of these acquisitions, the usual pattern is that after a year or so, they start replacing and/or laying off people. It's all about the stockholders and their dividends. Noritz didn't buy PB to lose money.

    But, we'll see.
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  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,467Member, Moderator, Administrator
    Not from what I get, Steamhead. This one’s different. Time will tell, sure, but I trust the guy I’m talking to.
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  • SteamheadSteamhead Posts: 12,731Member
    Well, I hope you're right.
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    "Reducing our country's energy consumption, one system at a time"
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  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,467Member, Moderator, Administrator
    Me too
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  • HVACNUTHVACNUT Posts: 1,909Member
    > @DanHolohan said:
    > Not from what I get, Steamhead. This one’s different. Time will tell, sure, but I trust the guy I’m talking to.

    Should I should bet the ranch on Noritz stock? I mean, do you realllly trust him?🤪

    I'm a bit surprised actually. Hearing their ads on the Yankees radio broadcast, they always waved the flag. I guess it's still "Made in the USA" but net profits are in Yen.
  • GWGW Posts: 3,354Member
    FW Webb stopped stocking the ECT series I guess
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  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,467Member, Moderator, Administrator
    Still stocking it as far as I can tell from their site, @GW.
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  • GWGW Posts: 3,354Member
    Yes Dan you're right, but not in W mass, but it can be ordered in.
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    Northampton, MA
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  • HVACNUTHVACNUT Posts: 1,909Member
    I'm not sure how they're related but is Boyertown part of this? Parent company? Separate entity?
  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,467Member, Moderator, Administrator
    Mestek owns the Boyertown foundry.
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  • kcoppkcopp Posts: 3,324Member
    Let us see what happens.... Im sure Noritz is trying to get more market share w/ the boiler market and water heaters. It is a lot easier to buy into an established brand than to start from scratch.
  • D107D107 Posts: 1,432Member
    edited March 6
    I am about to have an atmospheric boiler installed in a few weeks. I have a choice between the Peerless MI-03 and Buderus GC 144-3 MBH is almost identical, Peerless HX probably heavier cast iron, Buderus' specially engineer cast iron. Buderus 2.5 % more efficient. Installer has no preference.

    My guess is these two boilers --or any atmospherics–– won't be around in ten years. I'd like twenty-five years out of them. When I see a company takeover, like you pros I always am concerned about quality, parts availability, etc. though with atmospherics OEM is less crucial except for HX as I understand it. Whatever my contractor orders now has likely been in the pipeline before the merger. Hearing about the merger I'm more inclined to go with the Buderus, which does have a good tech dept that will deal with homeowners--not so for Peerless. Any thoughts?
  • IronmanIronman Posts: 4,904Member
    I think either would fine. The Buderus does have the superior cast iron which can operate down to 104* allowing greater efficiency.

    The installer is the key; he's 98% of the equation.
    Bob Boan


    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • mikeg2015mikeg2015 Posts: 642Member
    Atmospherics will still have a place. Simple. Very simpe, durable, reliable. A lot of cost and complexity wit ha mod-con and if return water can’t get under 140F most of the season, you gain almost nothing except burning 120W+ for the inducer and electronics vs. 30-40W for atmospheric with a flue damper.
  • D107D107 Posts: 1,432Member
    edited March 6
    @Ironman I'm not sure this Buderus GC144-3 would operate down to 104º as it doesn't work with the Logamatic with its pumplogic. I know my mother's G115 did....We're keeping the system simple. Installer, who knows his stuff, plans to keep this at 160º--we're attaching a Turbomax 44 instead of standard indirect. OR won't really apply much here except when temps get really cold and 160+º temp is required.
    @mikeg2015 Good to hear there might still be parts for these in 20 years. Sometimes when companies merge, the worst doesn't happen --as I've been told with Lochinvar. depends on the fine print of the deal I guess. I'm thinking Buderus is unlikely to be bought out, so I may hitch my wagon with them.
  • IronmanIronman Posts: 4,904Member
    Buderus was bought by Bosch about 8 - 10 years ago.
    Bob Boan


    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • D107D107 Posts: 1,432Member
    edited March 6
    @Ironman Ha, thanks, totally forgot. I can't say if the buyout has affected them; I have spoken to heating techs who say the GC144-3 is just their way of keeping their toe in that market. Clearly they're emphasizing the Bosch name more now with their newer products.
  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Posts: 5,306Member
    Me I would go Peerless. Hate the lack of parts availability on the other stuff. Keep it simple. but thats just me
  • SuperTechSuperTech Posts: 938Member
    I second that. If you want a simple, reliable and durable boiler that's easy to service you can't go wrong with Peerless, nothing against Buderus.
  • GBartGBart Posts: 753Member
    Having been in the industry for almost 50 years and having worked at numerous locations that got bought out and worked at Carrier I can say that these are generally not good things.

    For a very few yes, first to look for is the weight of Peerless boilers dropping like Burnhams did.
  • SuperTechSuperTech Posts: 938Member
    > @GBart said:
    > Having been in the industry for almost 50 years and having worked at numerous locations that got bought out and worked at Carrier I can say that these are generally not good things.
    >
    > For a very few yes, first to look for is the weight of Peerless boilers dropping like Burnhams did.

    I really hope that doesn't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me. Usually the first thing the new owners will do is try to figure out ways to cut costs and save money. Maybe they will stop selling their steamers with cyclegaurds.
  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,467Member, Moderator, Administrator
    Or it could just be that the new owners want a presence in the cast-iron market, so they bought a great company and want to keep it as is. That's what they told me.
    Retired and loving it.
  • IronmanIronman Posts: 4,904Member
    @D107,
    Whether it's Buderus or Peerless, the controls are standard American brands on the cast iron gas boilers. So, getting those shouldn't be an issue.
    Bob Boan


    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • D107D107 Posts: 1,432Member
    The fact that Buderus does have a very interactive tech support team does make a difference to me, although where I found it helpful with the family home's G115 was mostly with tweaking the Logamatic and Room sensor settings. There turned out to be a lot of good Buderus info that wasn't put in the manuals. As far as I know Peerless is closed to homeowners. I can understand why, but it would be nice.
  • SuperTechSuperTech Posts: 938Member
    > @D107 said:
    > The fact that Buderus does have a very interactive tech support team does make a difference to me, although where I found it helpful with the family home's G115 was mostly with tweaking the Logamatic and Room sensor settings. There turned out to be a lot of good Buderus info that wasn't put in the manuals. As far as I know Peerless is closed to homeowners. I can understand why, but it would be nice.

    If you are buying a standard Peerless cast iron boiler I highly doubt that you would ever need any technical assistance with anything, just as long as it's installed correctly.

    Who needs tech support anyway when you have The Wall? 😉
  • JellisJellis Posts: 92Member
    GW said:

    Yes Dan you're right, but not in W mass, but it can be ordered in.

    Still plenty of ECT's stock in the company, can have it delivered in Springfield either Monday Wednesday for Friday. How many sir? :)
  • FredFred Posts: 7,737Member
    @D107 , You are buying now. The quality of the product you get is now quality. There is nothing on a cast iron boiler that will fail that isn't readily available in a verity of flavors from almost any source except maybe a boiler section and if that is needed, it's "boiler time" anyway. Buy what makes sense for you and what readily has local service if you are averse to replacing your own safeties and controls.
    If you buy a more complicated piece of equipment because you fear parts availability or obsolescence 20 years from now think about what that might mean during those 20 years. We've all been there. Any good Steam Pro can work on a cast iron boiler. You don't see the steam Pros on here saying they only work on WM or Burnham or Peerless or Smith or whatever. They carry common controls/parts on their truck and work on whatever brand cast iron you have. Not so with the more complicated/specialized equipment.
  • TimcoTimco Posts: 2,897Member
    Did anyone see the movie Bad Parents? It's all PB tee-shirts, logos, and Peerless related. The coach is a Peerless manager, and it doesn't paint a good picture of the guy, lol. Wonder how they worked that in there...
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