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Memes

ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
edited September 2015 in Strictly Steam
I had made these over the past year or so but never posted them on here so I thought I'd share. Maybe some will bring a smile to someone's day.

I forgot about them until this morning. The first one is one of my favorites.











Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

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  • Bob BonaBob Bona Member Posts: 2,062
    I love memes.. Way beyond my computer skills to create but I get a kick out of seeing words used on pop culture images :) thanks for sharing!
  • HatterasguyHatterasguy Member Posts: 6,058
    edited September 2015
    33% pickup factor is way too much?

    Oh, the Steam Gods will be crucifying you.

    Nice work, BTW.
  • Dave0176Dave0176 Member Posts: 613
    Chris those radiators are piped incorrectly, there are no runouts or swingjoints lol...................
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    I cannot force people to spend money, I can only suggest how to spend it wisely.......
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    I didn't draw it. However you failed to mention the fact they are piped into the tops of the mains which is far worse than no swing joints ;)
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • njtommynjtommy Member Posts: 1,058
    Lol some times u need a good meme. To make u laugh.
  • njtommynjtommy Member Posts: 1,058
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    Speaking of, I wish I could find a superheat spec on a flooded evaporator. Seems like it doesn't matter as the headers in built into the evaporator are expected to handle that.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • Dave0176Dave0176 Member Posts: 613
    ChrisJ said:

    Speaking of, I wish I could find a superheat spec on a flooded evaporator. Seems like it doesn't matter as the headers in built into the evaporator are expected to handle that.

    Don't all flooded evaporators have accumulators, different conditions could have some serious liquid refrigerant flow back to the compressor, and that would be bad............. I assume a standard SH chart will suffice.
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    Specializing in Steam Heating, Serving most of NJ
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    I cannot force people to spend money, I can only suggest how to spend it wisely.......
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    Mine originally had a high side float and headers built into the evaporator
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • Bob BonaBob Bona Member Posts: 2,062
    Lol Tommy, got to make a new one for 410a, "what's yer subcool, bucky?"
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    I'd think one for 410A would involve bursting pipes or leaks at the pressure it runs at. The systems I work on run around 26-28"HG on the lowside at 0-10 PSI on the highside. :p
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • Bob BonaBob Bona Member Posts: 2,062
    Yah, I had a few cases where the head reached 600 psi then the comp cut out. Bad txv, bad indoor fan etc
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    That's insane.
    No highside pressure switch or is that what the switches are set to?
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128

    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • Bob BonaBob Bona Member Posts: 2,062
    600 is the high pressure cut out. 120 lo/325 hi would be a typical snapshot average conditions
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    So basically 200 PSI across the pump.

    Not much higher than R134A but quite a bit higher than R12/22 if I'm remembering correctly.

    A whole lot higher than sulfur dioxide or methyl formate.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • njtommynjtommy Member Posts: 1,058
    Those gauges he's holding are correct for a 410a York system. There Microchannel coils suck.
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    edited September 2015
    I find it hard to believe The Duke would ever use 410A.
    He'd clearly be an R290,R600 or R764 man. He wouldn't play games.


    I'm an R611 guy my self.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    Considering some new system rules for this winter. I already have the 0.5-2.0" w.c Dwyer switch and a 0.015" snubber on the way.

    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • njtommynjtommy Member Posts: 1,058
    edited September 2015
  • njtommynjtommy Member Posts: 1,058
  • Bob BonaBob Bona Member Posts: 2,062
    Better delete the F Bomb one or Dan will pull this thread :(
  • Harvey RamerHarvey Ramer Member Posts: 1,857
    410 may be operating at a higher pressure differential but it also has higher enthalpy. Does more work on per mass flow rate.
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  • makinsteammakinsteam Member Posts: 18
    Pardon my ignorance, what is a snubber?
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128

    Pardon my ignorance, what is a snubber?

    Basically a restrictor that stops gauges from responding as fast to pressure change.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128

    410 may be operating at a higher pressure differential but it also has higher enthalpy. Does more work on per mass flow rate.

    Here are the specifications on methyl formate, the refrigerant my 1933-34 refrigerators use.










    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • Harvey RamerHarvey Ramer Member Posts: 1,857
    Chris
    You should find an enthalpy chart for this refrigerant and plot your actual system performance to the chart. It would be interesting to compare to a modern refrigerator on 134.
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  • makinsteammakinsteam Member Posts: 18
    ChrisJ said:

    Pardon my ignorance, what is a snubber?

    Basically a restrictor that stops gauges from responding as fast to pressure change.
    Chris, I think I need this. My Gauge fluctuates with the waterlevel. Do you have a link to any further info?

    p.s. In case you haven't gathered, you are becoming my heating rolemodel. lol.
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128

    Chris

    You should find an enthalpy chart for this refrigerant and plot your actual system performance to the chart. It would be interesting to compare to a modern refrigerator on 134.

    Harvey,
    Did I do my math right? I came up with methyl formate having 17 times the enthalpy as R410A?

    As far as I am aware right now, methyl formate's benefits are it is not a greenhouse gas and does not deplete the ozone. It's also a fantastic refrigerant.

    It's downsides are it's very flammable, slightly toxic and breaks down rapidly when it comes in contact with moisture. It also breaks down when exposed to high temperatures over time. This is why these machines may need to be burped of non-condensibles from time to time.

    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128

    ChrisJ said:

    Pardon my ignorance, what is a snubber?

    Basically a restrictor that stops gauges from responding as fast to pressure change.
    Chris, I think I need this. My Gauge fluctuates with the waterlevel. Do you have a link to any further info?

    p.s. In case you haven't gathered, you are becoming my heating rolemodel. lol.
    Thanks. ;)

    You may need to wait until I try mine as I just guessed at the size. If you go to Mcmaster.com and search for snubbers they come up. The number I went with is 3820K27 and 0.015" size, but I don't know if that's small enough or not yet.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • makinsteammakinsteam Member Posts: 18
    edited September 2015
    You may need to wait until I try mine as I just guessed at the size. If you go to Mcmaster.com and search for snubbers they come up. The number I went with is 3820K27 and 0.015" size, but I don't know if that's small enough or not yet.
    Ok, great. I'll wait for your feedback. I can get McMaster items through work, so this is great info.
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    edited September 2015

    You may need to wait until I try mine as I just guessed at the size. If you go to Mcmaster.com and search for snubbers they come up. The number I went with is 3820K27 and 0.015" size, but I don't know if that's small enough or not yet.
    Ok, great. I'll wait for your feedback. I can get McMaster items through work, so this is great info.

    Actually, what gauge are you using?
    When I was using a 3 PSI Wika I never had a need for a snubber, especially with it isolated big a pigtail. Even my 16" Dwyer doesn't need a snubber. The needle vibrating or bouncing a little isn't a big deal in my opinion. The problem is with my 0 - 2" Magnehelic gauge. If it piped in directly without a pig tail and without a snubber it vibrates so fast you almost can't see the needle.

    This is the best I have on youtube to show what I consider, appropriate gauge operation. This is with a 1/4" ball valve almost completely closed to slow the gauge down.





    This is what I mean by without a siphon. The 3 PSI Wika in this video is reading in the negative the entire time even though there is clearly a positive pressure.

    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • ttekushanttekushan Member Posts: 901
    @ChrisJ, I think it's worth reposting one of your memes that struck me particularly funny.

    Re: refrigerants, I'm a fan of R290 and R290/R600A blends. Never studied R611 before now. There's a lot to like about it.
    terry
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    edited September 2015
    ttekushan said:

    @ChrisJ, I think it's worth reposting one of your memes that struck me particularly funny.



    Re: refrigerants, I'm a fan of R290 and R290/R600A blends. Never studied R611 before now. There's a lot to like about it.

    R611 is really nice in many ways including the fact you can literally pour it out of a glass jar into the system via a funnel.


    Thanks for resharing that, I forgot about that meme. :)
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • njtommynjtommy Member Posts: 1,058
    Never worked on them. Worked on plenty of r11,r123 chillers and the rest of the standard refrigerants.
  • ChrisJChrisJ Member Posts: 8,128
    njtommy said:

    Never worked on them. Worked on plenty of r11,r123 chillers and the rest of the standard refrigerants.

    They were only made by GE in 1933 and 1934. :p
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment

    Steam system pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/ZgpNUTyckkmiEdAf9
    Central air project pictures
    https://goo.gl/photos/4JjnLStEq42sWsQo8
  • njtommynjtommy Member Posts: 1,058
    Well that's way before my time time I tryed looking some of it up. Not much came up, but the GE part.

    I'm waiting to see how long 410a makes it.
  • Harvey RamerHarvey Ramer Member Posts: 1,857
    ChrisJ said:

    Chris

    You should find an enthalpy chart for this refrigerant and plot your actual system performance to the chart. It would be interesting to compare to a modern refrigerator on 134.

    Harvey,
    Did I do my math right? I came up with methyl formate having 17 times the enthalpy as R410A?

    As far as I am aware right now, methyl formate's benefits are it is not a greenhouse gas and does not deplete the ozone. It's also a fantastic refrigerant.

    It's downsides are it's very flammable, slightly toxic and breaks down rapidly when it comes in contact with moisture. It also breaks down when exposed to high temperatures over time. This is why these machines may need to be burped of non-condensibles from time to time.

    I don't know if you did or not. Very possible. I would compare the refrigerants on a pressure enthalpy chart. I am not familiar with Methyl Formate. I was talking more along the lines of the way people always flip out about the pressure differential on a 410 system compared to a 22 system without realizing that the 410 does more work per cycle. Not advocating for 410. Miserably high pressures.
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  • njtommynjtommy Member Posts: 1,058
    People are scared of change I guess. Im not really sure how much more efficient 410 is over 22, but we are seeing a lot more scroll compressors and larger coils for efficiency.

    We where just talking about this the other day at work. We are starting to see less and less semi hermetic compressors and more scrolls compressors.
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