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ProPress vs Sweat

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  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,858
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    Canucker said:

    Gordy said:

    Some of us have sausage fingers Erin ;)

    What are you saying @Gordy? No watchmakers here?:)
    I have both sausage fingers, and am learning to work on clocks as a hobby.

    So........... sausage fingers and fine delicate work can mix.

    So there! Sausage finger people unite! :)
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
    Erin Holohan HaskellCanucker
  • BobC
    BobC Member Posts: 5,479
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    Almost as much fun is changing surface mount IC's on a PWB without reflow equipment. I usually use a magnifying lamp and a magnifying visor so I can see the bitty pins. Then I try to time the soldering iron movements with my hand tremors to get the thing soldered without shorting anything out.

    Bob
    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 90,000 BTU, Single pipe steam
    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in
    3PSI gauge
    4Johnpipe
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,858
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    BobC said:

    Almost as much fun is changing surface mount IC's on a PWB without reflow equipment. I usually use a magnifying lamp and a magnifying visor so I can see the bitty pins. Then I try to time the soldering iron movements with my hand tremors to get the thing soldered without shorting anything out.

    Bob

    Ever done BGA by hand?
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • BobC
    BobC Member Posts: 5,479
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    At my stage of life I can't see them so I just ignore them, 16 pin SOIC's are pretty much my limit.

    Bob
    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 90,000 BTU, Single pipe steam
    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in
    3PSI gauge
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,858
    edited May 2016
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    BobC said:

    At my stage of life I can't see them so I just ignore them, 16 pin SOIC's are pretty much my limit.

    Bob

    16 SOIC!?
    That's huge!


    Chips like these are a bit challenging.




    0402 and 0201 passives are also fun.


    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • BigRob
    BigRob Member Posts: 322
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    Since website features came up, using Safari for iOS, when I click "quote" the post isn't copied into the new comment box. Instead, "null" shows up in the comment box. Maybe I need to reset something?
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,675
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    Do they make an after-market die for the Xilinx? I'm having a hard time locating the ProPress-branded die.
    ChrisJ
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,858
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    BigRob said:

    Since website features came up, using Safari for iOS, when I click "quote" the post isn't copied into the new comment box. Instead, "null" shows up in the comment box. Maybe I need to reset something?

    I've always had the same issue on Android as well.
    Basically, quoting only seems to work on a desktop machine. Not sure why.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
    GW
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,858
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    ratio said:

    Do they make an after-market die for the Xilinx? I'm having a hard time locating the ProPress-branded die.

    Solder only i'm afraid. :)
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,675
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    Not to drag this any further off topic, but do you have an opinion on how well the auto route works on the various free board layout packages? I've on occasion in the past wanted to make a few one-offs, not much more complicated than following the reference design, but I don't have the depth of skill to do a custom layout.
  • BobC
    BobC Member Posts: 5,479
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    Sorry no help here, my last layout was done with tape on mylar! I pretty much stick to vero board and I'm not even sure if they are still around.

    Bob
    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 90,000 BTU, Single pipe steam
    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in
    3PSI gauge
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,858
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    ratio said:

    Not to drag this any further off topic, but do you have an opinion on how well the auto route works on the various free board layout packages? I've on occasion in the past wanted to make a few one-offs, not much more complicated than following the reference design, but I don't have the depth of skill to do a custom layout.

    Can't help sorry.
    We have a guy where I work that does all of that and the last boards I did my self I paid a friend to lay out for me.

    I'm going to guess auto layout probably works for simple things, and doesn't work for most.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • Erin Holohan Haskell
    Erin Holohan Haskell Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 2,333
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    BigRob said:

    Since website features came up, using Safari for iOS, when I click "quote" the post isn't copied into the new comment box. Instead, "null" shows up in the comment box. Maybe I need to reset something?

    @BigRob, have you updated to the latest versions?

    President
    HeatingHelp.com

  • BigRob
    BigRob Member Posts: 322
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    Howdy Erin. I am using the latest version of iOS. Maybe I can clear some settings to fix it. I assume you don't see this behavior on your side?
    Alan Welch
  • Erin Holohan Haskell
    Erin Holohan Haskell Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 2,333
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    @BigRob, yes, my last post to you was from Safari for iOS and I didn't run into issues. Please try clearing your browser cache and send me a message to let me know if that works. Thanks!

    President
    HeatingHelp.com

  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
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    After bragging about all the tiny things worked on does the collective still need a shift of radio buttons?
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,858
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    Gordy said:

    After bragging about all the tiny things worked on does the collective still need a shift of radio buttons?

    I don't see any radio buttons, and yes.
    However as Erin already mentioned, it's not possible so people need to be more careful.

    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,675
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    ISTR that one can un-like by clicking the button again.
    Gordy
  • wholesalerbill
    wholesalerbill Member Posts: 20
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    Here's a couple of pics of a Pro-Press job I sold to one of my customers. It doesn't get much better than this. Done by a real professional. I quoted him in Pro-Press and solder fittings. Although the cost of solder was much lower than Pro-Press, the labor time was substantially lower than soldering. He didn't have one leak out of the hundreds of fittings installed.
    SWEIIntplm.
  • noviega
    noviega Member Posts: 1
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    Installed many Viega valves only to have them fail in 2 years or less, Don't use!
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,746
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    @lza

    Not a fan of PP but you answered your own question. Propress. The old valve is leaking by.

    Even with the excessive cost of PP fittings putting in a PP valve will be much less cost overall
  • BenK
    BenK Member Posts: 14
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    They both work fine.
    "Don't try to win an argument; instead, try to have a conversation." -Steve Deace