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Adding cast iron baseboard to one-pipe steam system

I just purchased a 2' section of Weil McClain CIBB with 3/4" taps to add to a small bathroom on the second floor that currently has no heat. I have a 1-1/4" steam pipe that ends under the bathroom floor where I'd like to add the baseboard.

How do I pipe between the 1-1/4" supply line and the baseboard? Do I bring the 1-1/4 up through the floor to the baseboard and than drop the size down to 3/4" or should I drop the size down before going up through the floor? And where do I add a valve; before or after the bushing?



Is it even possible to use this 2' baseboard on a one-pipe system? I read some comments about piping it 2-pipe and attaching it back to the supply line. That would be difficult for my situation since currently the 1-1/4" pipe is in a joist bay and the end of the radiator would be in a separate bay and I'd rather not drill through the joists for this. My assumption was that I could just pipe into one side of the baseboard and install it tilted back like a radiator. Then the condensate would flow back toward the pipe.



Thanks for your help.

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  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 6,868
    CIBB on One Pipe

    How is it gonna vent?
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  • JohnNY
    JohnNY Member Posts: 2,917
    Not for 1-pipe

    Ci BB doesn't work well with 1-pipe steam.

    If it's your only option and you need heat in the room, then you wouldn't be wrong to try it.

    A 2" section won't produce much condensate and the reality is that you wouldn't be the first person to use the product with livable results.



    If you must use it, vent the radiator with a ¾" x ⅛" bushing, a ⅛" nipple and elbow, and convector (straight) air vent.
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  • JStar
    JStar Member Posts: 2,752
    BB

    I've always wondered what would happen if you piped it like a two-pipe BB but had the return tie back into the supply riser. Never tried it. Seems like, at the very least, you would create two supplies to handle the condensate that just one 3/4" supply might not tolerate.
  • STEAM DOCTOR
    STEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 1,485
    BB

    Not sure if that would work. If steam approaches the rad from both sides,the pressure would equalize and steam probably wouldn't enter the radiator from either side. 1 1/4" baseboard is probably the best way to go if you absolutely need to have baseboard
  • kevin_58
    kevin_58 Member Posts: 61
    cast iron baseboard

    I ran into 1 tied in 2 pipe. It didnt work, The return line shut off the air vent before it got hot. It was on the 1st floor with an unfinished basement so i put a 30 inch deep trap on the return with a drain valve on the bottom. it worked a lot better but not perfect.
  • JStar
    JStar Member Posts: 2,752
    BB

    I guess it would only work if the air vent was in the dead center of the BB.
  • NJSteamhouse
    NJSteamhouse Member Posts: 34
    Pipe Size?

    So if I run the one-pipe up to the radiator, should I keep the pipe size at 1-1/4, including the valve and then use a 1-1/4" to 3/4" bushing at the radiator?
  • STEAM DOCTOR
    STEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 1,485
    1 1/4"

    Best bet is to use 1 1/4" baseboard.
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,331
    If that cast-iron baseboard is only two feet long

    it should work with just one pipe. We've gone up to three feet with no problems. 
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  • NJSteamhouse
    NJSteamhouse Member Posts: 34
    3/4" Baseboard

    I already have a 3/4" baseboard in place. I just need to determine how to run the pipe to it.
  • JStar
    JStar Member Posts: 2,752
    Piping

    I would use an 1-1/4" angled valve with a reducer on the spud. This will allow the water to drain freely from the BB and give you the benefit of a bigger sized valve to allow steam and condensate to live happily together.
  • NJSteamhouse
    NJSteamhouse Member Posts: 34
    Reducer on the spud?

    Which specific fittings should I use?



    Would I use the 1-1/4" angle valve with spud and then one of these?:

    http://www.homedepot.com/p/LDR-Industries-1-1-4-in-x-3-4-in-Black-Iron-Reducing-Coupling-310-RC-11434/100541041



    If so, how do I then connect to the radiator? With a short 3/4" pipe? I'm not sure if there is a difference with the threads on a spud versus a regular fitting or pipe.
  • stox_12
    stox_12 Posts: 1
    Please post a picture of the valve side for a baseboard install.

    planning to do a similar install with a 2ft governale baseboard and just not sure the best way to install reducer due to concern of steam and condensate through the 3/4" opening. Thanks.
  • jumper
    jumper Member Posts: 1,834
    piping two pipe into one pipe

    Worked for me on fin tube terminals. So it should work for a small baseboard. How much heat I can't say. You only need a small pipe on low end for condensate and air.
  • Charlie from wmass
    Charlie from wmass Member Posts: 4,216
    CIBB will work fine

    you need to pipe it two pipe if it is over 4' long. the return end needs either a trap or a water seal and a vent on the return end of the baseboard. As for putting the vent in the middle, it is hard to guess where the steam thinks the middle is as it is never the measured middle of the unit and it would have steam crashing together coming from each end.
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  • VA_Bear
    VA_Bear Member Posts: 50
    edited March 2014
    Two pipe components on one pipe systems

    I suspect the CIBB baseboard's passages would be too small to operate effectively piped as a one pipe device and would heat up as the initial steam enters and the air vents at the far end, however as the condensate builds up and restricts the passage, enough steam could not enter to continue to heat and the steam would tend to push the condensate up into the baseboard as it attempts to flow past the condensate, eventually flooding the baseboard until the boiler shuts off and gravity can overcome the steam flow. I have a church with a one pipe system which has a couple hundred feet of similar 3/4" baseboard which behaves admirably tapped off of two inch headers which make the transition from one to two pipe. with the condensate return pipe running just below the baseboard back to the header.
    VABear