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Should I replace the steam system with forced air? This week's video

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RayWohlfarth
RayWohlfarth Member Posts: 2,080
edited September 8 in THE MAIN WALL

I get asked this question often. In this video, I go over the pros and cons of doing so.

Ray Wohlfarth
Boiler Lessons
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  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 27,799

    Amen. brother @RayWohlfarth

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,879
    edited September 8

    I would never recommend converting a steam system to hot-water. Not only would that reduce the heat emission from the radiators (150 BTU per square foot on hot-water vs. 240 on steam) but the vastly higher operating pressure would do a great job of creating leaks. I've seen a couple disaster jobs and wondered how the contractors stayed out of court.

    There has never been a proper apples-to-apples comparison of the relative efficiency of transporting and delivering heat by steam as opposed to hot-water. To do so, you'd have to use similar boilers, and each system would have to be in its best possible configuration- insulation, venting etc.

    Once in a while, someone comes on here and tries to convince us that converting steam is the only way. Here's one that was memorable- it's from an earlier Wall version so the posts are a bit scrambled:

    Co-Founder, All Steamed Up, Inc.

    Semi-retired

    Baltimore, MD, USA

    Intplm.jim s_2
  • RayWohlfarth
    RayWohlfarth Member Posts: 2,080

    thanks @Jamie Hall

    @Steamhead Dave Yates did it and got good results I’ve never done it myself but would love seeing it

    Ray Wohlfarth
    Boiler Lessons
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,879

    I think I saw that job years ago. But as many bad ones as I've seen, the liability potential is too great. Besides, if you can get about the same fuel savings and better comfort by fixing the steam, why take the risk?

    Co-Founder, All Steamed Up, Inc.

    Semi-retired

    Baltimore, MD, USA

  • RascalOrnery
    RascalOrnery Member Posts: 158

    Thank you! I enjoyed that!

  • TheUpNorthState88
    TheUpNorthState88 Member Posts: 130

    Great video, Ray. Because HVAC is mostly sales these days, the default answer has become to tell people to switch to forced air which comes with way more repeated cost. Just using a big 2500 sq ft two story house example, you can easily heat it with one boiler and even zone the house out. Meanwhile forced air comes with ductwork, two systems (basement + attic) and two central air systems. Four items needing annual maintenance, more potential service calls, more revenue for HVAC companies. And let’s not forget, today’s equipment is lucky to reach 10 year mark. Even on service calls, if you are at the 5-7 year mark, they are suggesting you replace. No fixing.

    This is why my gravity hot water system, and 1937 Ideal Boiler No. 7 is staying put. I have updated some simple components that were worn out on my boiler and it has been stellar operation. When I fire it up this fall, it will mark its 90th heating season. I wouldn’t dare switch to forced air which I hate for heating. Even some of my window units are vintage. My oldest is from 1982. And they work incredibly well compared to the newer units. And again, I hate how stuff doesn’t last so no, I don’t want a mini-split either because I will just have to replace them in 5-7 years when they crap out.

    Lifelong Michigander

    -Willie

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,668

    No heating systems "dries the air"

    Drafty buildings do and leaky ductwork and undersized returns can aggravate the problem, but those shouldn't be an issue in a correctly designed and installed system. The problem is the building, not the heating system. My RH drops into the teens in the winter and I have steam heat.

    Noisy, again is another design issue and has plenty of ways to fix it.

    Shorter life highly depends. There's plenty of boilers on here that seem to rott out faster than any forced air furnace and cost far more to replace. This is a shame and completely avoidable.

    Should you replace a steam system with forced air? Of course not, but we should be honest about it.

    Big ducts and very expensive major construction is very true.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,879

    Where do we find a "correctly designed and installed" forced-air system? Certainly not in recent construction……….

    Co-Founder, All Steamed Up, Inc.

    Semi-retired

    Baltimore, MD, USA

    Mad Dog_2
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,668

    I'm sure there's plenty out there, especially in commercial buildings. As far as recent construction, forced air systems even back in the 50s often weren't great and lacked returns.

    If comparing to the cost of a new radiant system, I've got a feeling the money is there to have forced air done properly. If someone is going cheap, they're going to generally get what they pay for, no?

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,879

    Builders want whatever is cheapest. They don't have to live with the result.

    Co-Founder, All Steamed Up, Inc.

    Semi-retired

    Baltimore, MD, USA

    Mad Dog_2Intplm.Larry Weingarten
  • jumper
    jumper Member Posts: 2,607

    For less $$ than new system somebody can improve an old steam system dramatically. BUT that somebody is rare and difficult to find.

    Intplm.
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,737

    This is true Jumper, but we're saving many of em' Mad Dog