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Mad Dog_2
Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,669

Happy Mother's Day Erin! Mad Dog

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  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,491
    edited May 10

    To that I will say @PC7060, @pecmsg, and @pedmec have been behaving as far as I can tell, Andrew and as for @quack24, they have not been active since 2024 So those P's and Q's are fine.

    Or did you mean "watch your p's and q's" ? which is what a printer would tell his apprentice who was not paying attention to the task at hand when placing all the letters back in the cases after a press job was completed. The lower case P looks like a "q" and the lower case Q looks like a "p", and can be confusing when type setting for a printing job.

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    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    PC7060HeatingHelp.com
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,728

    I love alll of this.

    Retired and loving it.
  • HeatingHelp.com
    HeatingHelp.com Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 250

    Thank you so much! - Erin

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  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,603

    So does everyone know where "upper case" and "lower case" terms came from?

  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 4,261
    edited May 13

    I think I can infer that it was a literal upper and lower case that held the whatever-they're-calleds*.

    Neat. I never thought about that before.

    * edit: apparently they're called 'sorts'. TIL!

  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,603

    I never thought about at all until we visited "The Living History Farm/town" in Iowa some years ago.

    The newspaper printing office lady pointed that out, knowing we were ignorant about this….didn't know that we didn't know. She reached up to the top shelf on the bench and pointed out that this is where we keep the "Upper case" type letters and down here are the "Lower case" letters.

    Also at the cabinet maker shop, he also made caskets as needed, he pointed out the "saved by the bell" and the "dead ringer" terms were the string installed from the caskets, in a tube that went up to a bell above ground, to sound the alarm if the deceased woke up after being buried alive. And the "Midnight or Graveyard Shift" was someone hired to listen for the bell at night.

    This was pre Civil War era, however the science of embalming bodies was started with the need during the civil war. After being embalmed you were certainly not waking up later.

    Ed, the p & q story makes sense to explain another unknown phrase, thanks.

    EdTheHeaterManMad Dog_2
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,491

    I took Printing in high school. We had the old press-type machine called a type or movable-type press. When I set the individual letters, called sorts, I would select the sorts from the case and place them in a frame that I would mount in the movable-type press, then roll the ink over the type face and press it onto the paper. Those sorts were usually made from lead, and there were lots of the letters E, A, S, W, R, and T in both uppercase and lowercase, while there were not nearly as many Xs or Zs.

    The instructor would always tell us to “watch our p’s and q’s” after the print job was completed. He just couldn’t help himself.

    We also had an offset printer. We used to type our text on a Linotype Company machine that would automatically justify each Slug. A Slug is one line of type, That machine looked like an overgrown typewriter. Then we would mount that Slug of text onto a layout table one slug at a time along with the photos. Once the layout was finished as "Camera Ready Copy" we could place it on the glass covered camera table, there was a vacuum pump that would press all the paragraphs, columns, and photos tightly against the glass.

    From that point, we could flip the glass vertically and photograph the page with a huge camera where the other side of the focusing lens was inside the darkroom. We would place the film on the other side of the camera and shoot the image onto a 20" × 30" sheet of film to make the negative. From that negative, we could then make a printing plate that could be mounted on the offset press. That plate would pick up the ink and transfer the image onto the paper. That was a fun 6 months of high school.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,603

    I had an uncle who was a union type setter, it was a coveted profession as he could walk into many newspapers and be hired because of his seniority.

    I would guess that profession is now gone.

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,669

    Yes. Those were well paying union jobs. My great Grandfather worked for the Brooklyn Daily Eagle. Mad Dog