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montek
montek Member Posts: 50

Hello all Nice to chat with you. I have a 41 years old(yes 41 year old ) Rheem Imperial PLUS water heater that was installed in our home before we moved in and here is is 41 years later and it is still here. Our plumber warned us to replace it some 10 years or more ago and we did NOT and it is still here. We have 3 people living in our home myself m y wife and my 31 year old daughter. We have never had brown water and never had a loss of hot water. If you were to look at the OUTSIDE of the unit it looka brand new. No water stains anywhere and no corrosion to seak of anywhere either. We have taken all preciauions with a Govee sensor and a smart water system called Phynn. But regardless the unit is still 41 years old. A lot of talk between myself and friends and hey are all worrying me that I really need to replace this unit. So a plumber recommended an AO smith. I did NOT get the model yet BUT I have been doing some research and I would like your opinion. The two units I am looking at now are the Bradford White(BW) model number RG240T6N Or the AO SMITH- XCR 40. I would ask about an extension tank as well and definitely a POWERED anode rod so that the rod woud never need replacing and increase the protection for the tank itself.(I would NOT have a problem spending a liktle more NOW to ensure that this new water heater would last as LONG as possible. Please let me know which brand you guys prefer and how similar they are to my present model of 41 years called the Rheem Imperial Plus Model 41X40. I want durability and ease of use( no wifi and no bells and whistles) I hears that the AO smith is simpler to do since the installation of the powered anode rod is simpler than the installation for the BW unit(needs a Y fitting) I want my new unit to last a long long time( I know it will never beat the 41 years I have had now BUT I want to make it last as long as possible by doing everythig right the first time. 
I actually called Rheem like 10 years ago and they mentioned that some models from back in 1985 have lasted many many years and then they asked me if I ever maintained this unit. I said NO and they said DO NOT START NOW. (LOL) they said whatever is on the bottom of my unit is actually the glue that is keeping the unit together. And like I mentioned there is are NO signs of damage or water stains anywhere on my unit-but it is still 41 years old. Please let me know what you guys think. Thank you all.

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  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,316

    Important Question:
    What is stored on the floor around your water heater? For example, if you have important papers or documents stored within a few feet of the water heater, you may want to reconsider that decision.

    Next:
    If a water heater fails, it will most likely start with a slow leak. You may first notice water collecting on the floor near the base of the tank. That is often a sign that the unit has already reached the end of its service life.

    There is always the possibility that you will not be home to catch a small leak before it becomes a larger problem. When that happens, water damage can occur, and you may need to contact your insurance company. In many cases, the water heater itself is not covered, but the resulting water damage may be.

    For that reason, it’s a good idea to avoid storing anything valuable near the water heater—especially items that could be damaged by water.

    Any water heater you purchase today—whether from Bradford White, A.O. Smith, Rheem, State, or another manufacturer—is unlikely to last as long as older units did, so it’s important to plan accordingly.

    Good luck with your decision.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,926

    put a pan under the new one if you're worried about it leaking

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,926

    but i'd run the current one until it leaks.

    BobCGrallertethicalpaulWaher
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 20,260
    edited April 20

    As @EdTheHeaterMan said they usually start to seep. Not that they can't let go, I had one that did.

    I woke up one night to the sound of rain (or so I thought) . I went to the front door to look outside and there was no rain. O S—t. I didn't even put my glasses on and headed for the basement.

    At the bottom of the stairs 15 feet from the WH the water hit me in the face.

    It is rare for a WH to do that. Most all of them start with a slow leek.

    I had a 5 year tank last 15 years that was the best i could do.

    montek
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 4,096

    If it is in a basement, I also would run it until it died a natural death. Often they leak in the center causing the pilot light to go out. I like to see how long stuff lasts. And nothing new seems to last as long as what it replaced.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    EdTheHeaterMan
  • pedmec
    pedmec Member Posts: 1,389

    I agree with everything above EXCEPT WHEN YOUR THE PLUMBER. I always told my customer they will weep first when leaking. But then i get up in the morning to a cold shower and go to investigate and i can hear water rushing like a fire hydrant. My water heater where I live with the new wife (actually her house) blew open the side of the tank. Twice lol. the replacement did the same thing. thank goodness my basement is really a basement and not living space. the only two burst tanks i have experienced and bothe in my own place. go figure

  • Lance
    Lance Member Posts: 337

    Montec, I am 71. I have been an authorized rep and installer etc for many manufactures of products and experienced a lot of brands. Service business teaches us a lot, but I have yet to find the crystal ball of foresight. There are too many variables in materials, quality control, installer skills, even shippers cause problems.

    I can share that things are made to fail quicker, and use less money in labor and materials to make more sales. In physics we learned : 1) The larger the heater, the cooler the water temp. the longer it lasts, especially gas. This minimizes the flexing of steel and cracking of glass linings. A 5 yr heater, getting its anode replaced every 5 years can last 30 years. I proved it! Well water breaks all the rules and many a heater. Installers make a difference in heater life and performance. Water pressure makes a difference. How much, I do not know. Maximum code pressure; 80PSI. In Baltimore it can get over 130PSI at night. Relief valves begin weeping at 140. Heaters can reach 300 psi and bulge tanks which is never under any warranty. Expansion controls are needed especially in a closed system.

    Debris in water will fail a gas heater quicker. One 10 year period the major dip tube manufacturer changed its formula. They supplied almost all the different water heater brands. The dip tube dissolved. Many people switched brands to avoid it, not knowing the brand was not the cause.

    Today the simple gas fired standing pilot has been replaced with complex controls that have higher fail rates, even if not leaking. No one can guarantee a leak free heater but a good warranty will fund the replacement and insurance may cover the damages.

    My personal choice for a tank, is Bradford White 50-80 gal. For tankless, a Rinnai, and maybe a few other brands. Heat pump water heaters are a failed idea that wastes more than it ever saves. And no plumber will ever fix unless they have an HVAC license. But most manufacture's replace what the will not repair if warrantied. Most "heat pumps" on the heater we worked on failed within 2 to 4 years. Others could not be service without removing pipe built be installer.

    bburd
  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 4,121

    Hi, Lots of good info above! I'd be tempted to get a powered anode and install it in the current tank. If/when the tank fails, put the anode in the new tank. Not much to be lost this way. Do check/replace the relief valve too!

    Yours, Larry

  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    does anyone have any advice for me. Please.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 27,546

    A tank that age probably has several inches of sediment in the bottom. So efficiency is probably 65% or lower

    There us a place for tankless depending in jow you use hot water. Higher efficiencies, no stored water, endless hot water at the specified gpm flow.

    Efficiency Maine has a calculator

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    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,926

    what? like any new tank you buy is going to be terrible and put a pan to it so you can direct it to a drain. a powered anode will help, it will work better with a tank with a separate anode vs one where the anode is built in to the outlet. what ever you replace it with will be much worse than what you currently have. the efficiency might be slightly better without the sediment in the bottom as @hot_rod pointed out but you can buy a whole lot of gas for the cost of a new tank. find someone that is competent to replace it so you know who to call when the time comes.

    Mad Dog_2
  • Waher
    Waher Member Posts: 373

    Does your basement have a floor drain or sump pit? If yes, you could use a PIG containment berm and a drain tube so any leak is diverted to the drain.

  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 3,040

    @montek You have done your homework, and you have done it well. That's a lot more than most others have ever done.

    You are ready to change your water heater. The electric anode rod and the brand are great choices. I'm a big fan of Bradford White. Don't worry about the wye fitting, it's all good there with a great water heater. While you're at it, add a drip collection pan to the new install and maybe a leak breaker device.

    In my view, at this point, I would not change it till you need to. I guess it's just a matter of how you measure the inconvenience. Do it before it leaks in a planned way, or do it with a little more inconvenience and possible delay when it does leak.

  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    appreciate you all truly. I really respect my unit and thank goodness it has treated with our home with such durability and reliability. As mentioned even with the sediment we do NOT notice any loss of efficiency at least to us laypersons. As mentioned NO loss of hot water ever and NO brown water ever. So even with the sediment it has not affected its reliability etc. I am hoping to wait until September of 2027 when I turn 70 and that is when I am taking my Social Security and it will be easier to afford then. But we will see. I know the unit and the plumber so all is really ready to go until we make that final decision. We have NO sump pump because in all the 37 years living here we never had any flood even when we were hit with Super Storm Sandy in Long Island. So no need for that especially since that cost may be huge as well and if that is my worry I may as well get the new heater instead. So that is where I am at. I will ask the plumber about the powered anode rod. And the expansion tank as well and see what he says. I went to a plumbing supply store myself this morning and he also said that either the AO brand or the Bradford White brand would be perfect BUT he never heard of ANYONE changing the ANODE rod.?? So if my plumber does NOT recommend it I will just put a date on my calender to replace the rod in 3-4 years and maintain it to the best of my ability. I will flush it every year or 6 months and keep a close eye on the new one so I could get at least a good 10 ,years out of it.

  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 4,121

    Hi, I wrote a book on water heater maintenance in 1992. I can promise you, lots and lots of anodes get replaced. Look online and see how many are selling anodes. That plumbing supply guy may not be aware of these things, but I'd replace that anode right away to give your present heater every chance of keeping going. I've worked on over 5000 tanks and the failure rate remained under half of one percent. I helped lots of tanks live over fifty years. Anode replacement works.

    Yours, Larry

    SuperTechBernie_the_BrewerIntplm.
  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    I thank you much sir. I have the Phyn smart water detector system and the Govee sensor as well. So I will be alerted if any leakage real quick. BUT if as you or the others say- this is a great help BUT!!! if it loses its bottom or goes completely then even the water detector system is OK BUT I will suffer a 40 gallon loss to my floors. That is my ONLY fear. If I knew 1000% that the unit WILL ONLY leak and nothing else ten I would NOT care about how long I keep this unit . It is the unknown of it going full force when it goes. But as everyone here stated- it is such a shame that this country has ended up making such inferior products these days . Shame on US! America is not the America my parents lived in and made great back then. We are shameful now and I am truly upset about that. Do you know that I have a CALORIC electric stove still in my home that has also been here over 40 years and the ONLY thing I ever changed on it was a few of the coils on top. My parents made this country great but what we did to it is a shame. Just saying. So again if I had the guarantee that it would ONLY leak when its time is up I would be fearless. LOL—— I have a great idea- lets make a machine that can diagnose the INSIDE of a water heater like an MRI or XRAY machine of some sort that can tell us what the inside of the unit looks like so we would know if it is going bad…. Not a bad idea Huh??? LOL

  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    Yes I read his comment and yours and as stated to ed- if I knew 1000% that is would seep or leak ONLY when it is done-then I would be fearless. But it is the ever so slight chance that the whole thing w\il give way all at once. I need that guarantee???? Please??? LOL

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,316

    Is this water heater in your basement? what are the floors made of? If it is dirt or concrete, then stop worrying. It's only water and that stuff dries up eventually. If your water heater is on the main level of the home in a laundry room or utility closet and you have new hardwood floors on that same level, then you should have had a new water heater 3 years ago when the new floors were installed. LOL.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    My basement is cut in half— one side is the work area- washer dryer and boiler and water heater. The other side behind 2 closed doors is the finished basement eally nice. But the only flood we had was when my washing machine cable busted and the water went into the finished area. So that is my fear if this one goes catastropically. :(

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,316

    @montek said: I have a great idea- lets make a machine that can diagnose the INSIDE of a water heater like an MRI or XRAY machine of some sort that can tell us what the inside of the unit looks like so we would know if it is going bad…. Not a bad idea Huh??? LOL

    here is your new equipment:

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    Now just go out and start measuring old water heaters. LOL.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    montek
  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    My plumber who happens to be a Master Plumber is really a good guy and he said he would put in an AO Smith. So I researched it and the model I would get would be the AO Smith XCR-40gallon since I have a 40 gallon now and never had a problem with water at all. That model seems to be the top of the line unit for AO Smith and I would ask about adding an Expansion tank and maybe upgrading the preinstalled anode for that POWERED anode that last forever. I asked a few sites includig the AI sites and this unit along with a Bradford White RG240T6N would be as close to my work of art I have now spec for spec. But since the plumber recommends AO Smith I will not argue. And then all sites say to flush the unit at LEAST once per year or even every 6 months if you have the time(I am retired) to keep it running really well. What do you think?:)

  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    thanks but I do not have a drain in my basement. and the home has been lived in by US for about 40 years and never has a flood. So the cst to do it now may be as much as buying the new heater so that pan to direct the water to a DRAIN— I do not have one?? :(

  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    I appreciate your reply- but as stated in a few of my replies above- when the time comes - my plumber who we have used for many years has said he would install an AO Smith- so I researched it and the unit I think is the best and closest to MY existing unit in quality and durability would be the XCR model with an expansion tank and the better anode rod.

  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    it is in the basement but I mentioned somewhere here to someone else that half my basement is unfinished with a concrete floor and the other is nicely finished basement with a new "FLOATING FLOOR"- you know the ones that come in long boards and are snapped together but looks real nice- the new stuff ? And if water got under that - I am sure this would have to be replaced. We also have new Laz-BOY couches and a pool table- so it would not be good. Let us all pray for JUST A LEAK as the warning to tell me that it is time????

    EdTheHeaterMan
  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    thanks for that reply- and YES that is why I want that rod replaced immediatley upon install. I want to give the new heater when it is done all the chances to be the best it can be (period) it is MY home and that is what I want!!! I totally agree—- Since you are well versed in this- what do you think of an expanson tank?? I do NOT have one NOW- but the research I have read also said it can REDUCE the stress ON the Tank as well. SO WHY NOT do it. I would rather spend the extra money NOW on install for better piece of mind and security. Your take on this please.

  • montek
    montek Member Posts: 50

    you also mentioned that you have helped lots of tanks live over 50 years!! as you know my tank is 41 years old— as mentioned it is a Rheem Imperial PLUS installed in 1985- Gas unit and looks extremey clean- the while metal around the unit is PRISTINE— really —no brown water stains and no rust. And the BLue top and bottom are also spic and span with almost zero rust around the inlets and anode connection bolts. It truly is amazing when I look at picture of some tanks and how bad they look. Also the area on the bottom near the spigot is also all white with no yellow or brown streaks. I wish I could send you a pic but my iphone is NOT letting me.

  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 4,121
    edited April 22

    Hi, About pressure, I'd put a pressure gauge, the type that has a separate needle showing the highest pressure the gauge has seen, and put it on the tank's drain or some other hose bibb. This will let you know if pressure is really a problem. I like to see 40-60 psi and never higher than 80.

    About the magic tool that will tell you the condition in the tank… it's the anode. It can be "read", so you have a very good idea of the tank's condition.

    Yours, Larry

    montek
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,316

    @montek answered " it is in the basement but I mentioned somewhere here to someone else that half my basement is unfinished with a concrete floor and the other is nicely finished basement with a new "FLOATING FLOOR"- you know the ones that come in long boards and are snapped together but looks real nice- the new stuff"

    And so I refer back to what I said:  "If your water heater is on the main level of the home in a laundry room or utility closet and you have new hardwood floors on that same level, then you should have had a new water heater 3 years ago when the new floors were installed. LOL."

    But seriously, that is something to consider. there are several ways to solve the floor protection problem.

    1. install a sump in the basement floor with a redundant pump and battery backup if the power fails during a water leaking event.
    2. I has a custom pan made for a water heater that I installed on the second floor of a duplex condo. Yher pan was 8" tall with a 1" PVC drain opening at the bottom. that 1" drain was piped to the outside of the home so no pump needed.
    3. you could have the 8" tall pan built and have a water pump operated by a float switch in your situation. the pump outlet needs to go outside if the basement somewhere, like the laundry drain if you have one of those in the basement or nearby.

    I am liking you AO Smith choice. I am a Bradford White person myself, that's because I'm from Philadelphia, Bradford White's home town. Both are top quality in my opinion.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 27,546

    I don't know of an actuary table for water heaters, that seems to be the gist of the conversation.

    It is not a matter of IF it will fail but when, and under what conditions it will fail, a seep or a stream of water.

    Will the water flow valve turn off water if you are not home? Possibly.

    Could a leak result in a little or lot of damage?

    I don't know anyone that can give you the answer to now or later, as far as the replacement.

    There are only a handful of residential tank manufacturers and even the big names swap tanks between them and just provide different labels. So a brand with name recognition and local warranty support would be the one to look at.

    Bradford White has long been the contractors "choice"

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    Larry Weingarten