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Converting 2 pipe Bundy radiator to 1 pipe system

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Ldallas_87
Ldallas_87 Member Posts: 29

I found some Bundy loop style radiators in excellent condition that I’d like to pick up for my 1 pipe system. Does anyone know if they would work with 1 pipe steam heat? It has a tap for a vent so I’m assuming they are dual purpose but just want to make sure.

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Mad Dog_2

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,525

    What size are the pipe connection tappings?

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  • Ldallas_87
    Ldallas_87 Member Posts: 29

    I think 1 inch for supply and 3/4 for the return. Have to go check them out tmrw. If it is indeed 1” is that too small to accommodate steam and condensate return flow?

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    Mad Dog_2
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 27,395

    I'm not at all sure they will. Why? Because it does not appear that they are connected across the tops of the columns — and that means that normal one pipe steam radiator venting, with a vent on the last section and air and steam moving across the top to reach that vent, won't happen.

    But maybe… @Steamhead ?

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,525

    There is a bushing on the inlet end but it's hard to tell its actual size.

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,525
    edited April 11

    There is a bushing on the inlet end but I can't tell what size it is.

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  • Ldallas_87
    Ldallas_87 Member Posts: 29

    Thank you Steamhead, I noticed that too. Hopefully it’s 1 1/4” but I think more than likely 1” since that was standard. I just read that 1 “ supports 25-30 EDR if this style does actually work. Jamie that is a great observation. I was hoping

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    that the steam would push the air out through the columns in a up/down and repeat manner but I’m not so sure about that.

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,561

    I made the Large Bundy in my Parlor two-pipe (The only one in my house). Its been 25 years, but I believe its 1" Supply. Ill look behind the couch tonight. Mad Dog

    Ldallas_87
  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,843

    I have a round one and piped it just like Mad Dog did his on single pipe steam.

    If it's going on the first floor you can use both pipes and put an inverted loop on the return into the bottom of the supply runout.

    13 Loops, 36" high, 1-1/4 inlet, 1" outlet. The steam distributes up and down the loops just fine. Put a vent in the last loop if you need it.

    Mad Dog_2Ldallas_87
  • Ldallas_87
    Ldallas_87 Member Posts: 29
    edited April 11

    Mad Dog/ Long Beach Ed could you please share a picture of the piping when you get a chance so I can better visualize/understand what I can do? I’m not exactly following your description. Thank you.

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,561
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,561

    1" inlet on right. 3/4" outlet on left. No trap. Loop seal is in basement closet below. Mad Dog

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  • Ldallas_87
    Ldallas_87 Member Posts: 29

    Thanks for sharing. I wouldn’t be able to add a loop downstairs. Could something like this work for a larger radiator?

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,525

    Lose the trap. You don't need it.

    The check valve would have to have a very lightweight flapper so the weight of the water would open it. And the rad would need a vent.

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,561

    Just try to use one pipe. See how that goes. Mad Dog