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New Yorker Boiler Coexisting with Hot Water Heater

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Pupotexas
Pupotexas Member Posts: 13

I appreciate this forum and the patience with my lack of knowledge and these very basic queries. I have a New Yorker Boiler and a separate hot water heater. The boiler was installed long before the water heater. I want to question how the boiler impacts domestic hot water. I observe the pipes running from the boiler to the hot water heater. I have domestic hot water whether the boiler is running (on) or not (off for periods of time such as summer), however domestic water is noticeably hotter when the boiler is on. I assume the boiler feeds hot water to the water heater and ALL domestic water is sourced from the water heater tank? The boiler limit settings (140/180) are higher than the water heater setting (125) which tells me the hot(ter) water from the boiler is producing domestic hot water but I assume it's not direct to the faucets but through the hot water tank? When the boiler is off the (unheated) water still flows from the boiler to the hot water tank? A primer of a few sentences or link to a website that may offer a layman explanation of such a system would be very much appreciated, although I realize many different systems and configurations exist and one may not be able to address my questions without knowing my exact system configuration. I'd be happy to post photos or videos but I do not wish to be even more annoying! Thanks again!

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  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 4,100

    Hi, Some photos would be really nice, so we could give you meaningful feedback. Also there is probably a heat exchanger someplace… and pump/s. Photos of the whole system and those pieces would be good 😸

    Yours, Larry

  • pedmec
    pedmec Member Posts: 1,337

    As larry as said. pictures please.

  • Pupotexas
    Pupotexas Member Posts: 13
    edited April 2

    Thank you for your willingness to assess. The water heater is on the other side of the basement and connected to the boiler via the copper pipe(s) next to the aquastat/control box on the boiler. Thanks again.

  • Pupotexas
    Pupotexas Member Posts: 13
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 20,187

    Please have someone (or you) put a hanger on the expansion tank pipe. It could snap and cause a flood or other damage. If the boiler install is recent call the contractor back he should know better. His install is unfortunately sloppy and not professional.

    ethicalpaulPC7060
  • Pupotexas
    Pupotexas Member Posts: 13
  • Pupotexas
    Pupotexas Member Posts: 13
    edited 12:37AM

    Thank you for the feedback. Please clarify what to do? The pipe to the expansion tank that is parallel to the ground requires support? I should use material to sling it to the ceiling? Thank you.

  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 4,100

    Hi, I'm wondering if the tempering or mixing valve (at the boiler) is working. You should be able to use that to prevent "too hot" water from feeding the water heater.

    Yours, Larry

    ethicalpaul
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,817

    i wonder if the electric tank is just used to keep the water heated by the boiler hot if it is traveling a significant distance to get to the fixtures.

    GGrossPC7060
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 20,187

    @Pupotexas

    Yes. You could use metal "plumbers strap" you can get it at a big box or hardware store. The expansion tank is about 1/2 full of water and with that long horizontal pipe that is a bit of leverage on that joint.

  • Pupotexas
    Pupotexas Member Posts: 13

    This is very helpful. I will do as you suggest. Thank you very much.

  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 7,452

    We really need to see all the piping. The boiler has a tankless coil with a mixing valve for domestic hot water. If the hot out of the mixing valve feeds the cold in to the tank water heater, it shouldn't be hotter unless the mixing valve is set very high. Trace out the piping.

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,812

    it shouldn't be hotter unless the mixing valve is set very high.

    or if the mixing valve has failed

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • HydronicMike
    HydronicMike Member Posts: 347

    Where are you located? Maybe some here is nearby who can walk you thru everything and answer all your questions.
    You’re going to need a service provider anyway, best to find one you like before you need one.