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The nuance of steam heat balancing: Why theory isn't always reality

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patrykrebisz
patrykrebisz Member Posts: 115

I wanted to share some thoughts on what we might call the "nuance" of steam heat balancing. We often hear the basic theory: steam leaves the boiler, hits the main vents, and then fills the radiators based on vent size. In a perfect world, if two radiators are equidistant from the boiler on two different mains, they should heat up at the exact same time.

But the theory often ignores the limited amount of steam at the boiler buildup. Most of the time, our boilers aren't running; they are waiting for a call for heat. When that call finally comes, the pipes aren't steaming hot—they're just "warmish". In my experience, when that first SMALL amount of steam starts moving, it doesn't behave like the textbooks say. It looks for the path of least resistance—usually the closest main pipe rather than pipe with largest vent—and travels much slower (according to AI, 1 ft/second compared to 10 ft/second in a hot system). This means your thermostat might satisfy and shut off the boiler before the furthest radiators even starts heating up.

So even with proper pitch, proper large main vents, proper condensate return, insulation around the pipes, correct differing size of radiator vents, the theory doesn't match the nuance of reality. 

On my own system, the "favored" (closes to boiler) main fed a radiator in the room with thermostat. I had to mount pinhole-sized vent on the radiator AND swap main vent for something smaller to throttle down the speed. By restricting the "easy" path, I forced the system to build enough pressure to send steam down the other main, finally getting heat to all my radiators simultaneously.

If you’re struggling with uneven heat, my advice is to get down into your basement and really map out your piping to know what might ACTUALLY heat up first. There’s a real nuance to how these old systems breathe, and sometimes you have to "trick" the steam into doing what you want.

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  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,681

    I agree. This is why I always say you can't balance a steam system with math

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  • DanPike
    DanPike Member Posts: 6

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

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  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,322

    When I first went to balance my system after installing a new boiler, I found the system didn't behave anything like any books said, or for that matter, how everyone told me it should.

    This is why my argument for years has been a boiler doesn't heat all of the piping and radiators at once. It heats the piping, bit by bit slowly, and has the entire boiler to do it. Once the mains are heated, it then, hopefully, goes to heat the radiators, bit by bit, section by section, slowly. Every steam system out there has literally the entire boiler at it's disposal to heat the mains because the radiators are all empty.

    Just as you described, the first issue I had was the first main off of my header which feeds 3 radiators would hog all of the steam. It would actually hog all of it during most if not all thermostat cycles. The solution, which I didn't see in any books was to totally remove the main vent and slow the 3 radiators down. Then, it caused the steam to shift over to the second main and head that way.

    Over time, by tweaking vents and such I ended up with all radiators heating within a few seconds of eachother. The 11' main has a single Gorton #1 on it, while the other 29' long main has five Gorton #1's on it.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

    patrykrebisz
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,431

    One probable cause of this is the installer didn't properly ream some of the pipe after cutting it.

    But, almost always when I size main vents by the amount of air in the mains, they work as expected.

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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,549

    i mean integral calculus is the math you need to use

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,549

    also why you can't tee multiple mains togther but must connect them individually to the header.

  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 27,281

    If yu accurately model the system in a computer simulation, you can show theory and practice coinciding. Most of us don't have — or want the level of computing power it would take, nor do we want to string together the several pages of differential equations it would take…

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,549

    i think we all have adequate computing power, writing the model to describe it would be the difficult part.