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L8148A Doesn't Break When Setpoint Is Reached

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Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
Alan (California Radiant) Forbes Member Posts: 4,718
edited February 20 in THE MAIN WALL

Brand new aquastat relay. Setpoint is 150F and water temperature continues to climb past 200F.

I've seen these stuck open, not closed.

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8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab

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  • HydronicMike
    HydronicMike Member Posts: 343

    Did you try checking the bulb? Better yet, why a mechanical aquastat?

  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 4,091

    Hi, Are there contactor points you can get to? Any chance they got fused together? I still have a point file in my tools somewhere if you need it 🤠

    Yours, Larry

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,488

    Are you sure you pushed the sensor all the way into the well?

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    mattmia2
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 7,434

    We've been coming across quite a few parts that are bad right out of the box. But a limit that won't open is inexcusable. Thats why you don't replace and run. CYA. Disaster averted.

    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
  • Yes, I pulled the sensor out and pushed it in again and it's in contact with the flow.

    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,488

    Had to ask. Looks like that's an oil-fired unit, right?

    If so, I would recommend replacing that with either a Beckett AquaSmart 7610A or a Hydrolevel HydroStat 3250+. Either would be a vast improvement due to energy-saving features. They are both designed to mount on standard aquastat wells. And if you replace the well also, you can add low-water cutoff functionality.

    If this is a single-zone job, I prefer the AquaSmart because it has a circulator-off delay option that would move heat out of the boiler for a few minutes after the burner shuts down. If it's 2 zones or more, either is fine.

    On the AquaSmart, if you don't replace the well, use the temp-only sensor; if you do, use the 2-in-1 sensor.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
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    mattmia2PC7060
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,147

    A agree with @HydronicMike and @Steamhead with the reason for a new out of the box L8148A?!?!?🤷‍♂️

    Screenshot 2026-02-20 at 11.07.47 PM.png

    You can save $100.00 and end up with a better control

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,488

    Wrong comparison- you need to use the 3250+ HydroStat, not the 3150.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
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  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,147

    Why? That 3150 does everything the L8148 does and it has all the same wire terminals. If you want ODR and you want to turn this into a make work project then you also need the matching well adaptor for the LWCO feature. Even so, the 3250+ is still a lower cost if you install it just to replace the L8148A wire for wire, and not use any other feature.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • 4GenPlumber
    4GenPlumber Member Posts: 164

    The only time I've seen the L8148A over shoot was when the circ wasnt working properly or a flow control was jammed up.

    tdk1007
  • Big Ed_4
    Big Ed_4 Member Posts: 3,530
    edited February 21

    The aquastat with the reverse using the two knobs like the L8124 will fail not reaching temp along with the L4006a, L4081 .. The model used in the L8148 and the L4080 fail with a over ride…..

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,488

    it's not just ODR. The AquaSmart and HydroStat both have non-ODR economizing features. Why not take advantage of this?

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    Towson, MD, USA
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  • Big Ed_4
    Big Ed_4 Member Posts: 3,530

    There is some kind of factory adjustment below the wheel if dare to adventure ..

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  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,147

    Because the savings comparison is not a dramatic. !

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,488

    That, of course, will change as fuel prices rise. And they will rise. But even if it's not dramatic, if one has to replace the control anyway, it makes sense to upgrade.

    Here's where I did exactly that in my own house:

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  • Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes Member Posts: 4,718
    edited February 22

    More information: This is a gas-fired boiler. We have no oil out here, other than offshore.

    The owner had a heat pump water heater installed next to the boiler and the installer - not me - moved the aquastat relay to a better location for service.

    I don’t particularly like how it was done, but I checked the well and it extends all the way down into the tee.

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    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
    HVACNUT
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,488

    OK, is this a side-outlet boiler with a tee installed just outside the boiler, the supply line to the system piped into the bull of the tee, and the control well in the other end of the run?

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  • Exactly.

    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,147
    edited February 22

    You can't fix stupid.

    If you don't know why that aquastat location is against code and common sense, PM me and I will tell you why!

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,488
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • Two come to mind:

    • Too far away from the heat source
    • Should be horizontal
    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,147

    That control works in the current orientation position, but not in the current temperature location. I have installed that contol on a buderus boiler in that orientation.

    There is a control that will work for you. Resideo L7224U 1002 with this long wire temperature probe Resideo 50001464-005 probe to be placed back in the original well adaptor on the supply tee fitting. I hope the water heater installed left it there!

    Screenshot 2026-02-22 at 1.33.13 PM.jpg

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    tdk1007
  • Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes Member Posts: 4,718
    edited February 22

    Totally brilliant! Thank you!

    The existing aquastat relay has an adjustable operating limit starting at 150F; too hot for radiant, but appropriate for boiler protection. The one you suggest starts at 110F and a thermal bypass can be added.

    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 7,434

    It should be in the boiler. The sensing bulb isn't in the flow. And instead of getting the correct control, they powered a transformer with B1,B2 for the burner circuit. Are those Shark Bite ball valves?

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,488

    The AquaSmart and HydroStat can use extension cables too. Just have to order them.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
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    HydronicMike
  • Good call. The schematic shows the external transformer and it looks like the pressure switch controls the burner. Seems odd, but creative.

    IMG_1320.jpeg
    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • Big Ed_4
    Big Ed_4 Member Posts: 3,530

    Yeah that not going to work . :)

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  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,147
    edited February 22

    Wow this is an oil burner control that is used to power a 120 VAC burner control. The manufacturer has installed a second 120 to 24 VAC transformer on B1 a nd B2 to power the 24 V gas controls. I suggested that to someone before and was told here by a "Wallie" that it is not an accepted practice. I should not have left that as a perminent fix for a customer.

    I guess the manufacture of your boiler didn't get that memo!

    Using a L8124 or s L8148 to operate a 24 VAC gas system ?!? there is already a control set up for that. The Hydrolevel 3200 Plus has a 24 V. burner circuit

    Diagram to follow. Order the 48" probe cable for the Hydrostat 3200

    Oops. that was wrong… don't order the 3200 plus

    you need the 120 V burner circuit to power the inducer fan motor. I realized that when I went to draw the wiring diagram. The Resideo L7224U 1002 is the correct control for your setup.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    Alan (California Radiant) Forbestdk1007
  • Thanks @Steamhead and @HydronicMike for this suggestion, but these controls aren’t familiar to me and I don’t know if they have all the required terminals that the Residio has. Which models do you suggest?

    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,488
    edited February 23

    They do. Check out the manuals- the AquaSmart 7610B is here. That's the usual control for a gas boiler- but if you need the 120V version, get the 7610A:

    https://www.beckettcorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/62091.pdf

    Extension cable and mounting kit, 48":

    https://www.beckettcorp.com/product/aquasmart-remote-mounting-kit-7600rmu/

    and the HydroStat 3200+ is here. That's the usual control for a gas boiler- but if you need the 120V version, get the 3250+:

    https://hydrolevel.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/HydroStat-3200-Plus-Instructions-120325.pdf

    Extension cable and mounting kit- you'd want the 48-102 which has a 48" cable:

    https://hydrolevel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/HydroStat-Remote-Kit-web.pdf

    Any questions, you know where to find us.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
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    Alan (California Radiant) ForbesHydronicMiketdk1007
  • Big Ed_4
    Big Ed_4 Member Posts: 3,530

    Looks like 3/4" run , instead of the tee replace it with a 1" cross . It will put the sensor in the stream ..

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  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,976

    The solder splash on the wiring diagram is a nice touch too.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    EdTheHeaterManAlan (California Radiant) Forbestdk1007
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,147

    @109A_5 I KNOW … RIGHT!!! I have been picking at my computer's screen for the past half hour trying to get rid of that stuff.

    Gosh I feel So Blond.

    🤦‍♀️

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    Alan (California Radiant) Forbestdk1007
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 20,163

    Putting a control on a tee is questionable. Should be in the boiler.

    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
  • tdk1007
    tdk1007 Member Posts: 1

    Hi everyone, thanks for your advice! I'm the homeowner and rewired the boiler with a Hydrostat 3250+

    Alan and I re-commissioning the system today. Can you double check our assumptions on how to program the unit?

    Here's what I pulled from Gemini.

    1. Core Temperature Settings (Dials)

    • Low Limit: Set to "OFF".
      • Reasoning: Since the BDP XEB-3 is a gas boiler without a tankless coil for domestic hot water, it should operate as a "cold start" boiler. Setting the Low Limit to "OFF" prevents the boiler from firing unnecessarily when there is no call for heat, which significantly saves fuel.
    • High Limit: Set to 180F.
      • Reasoning: While radiant floors require low temperatures (often 90F–120F), the cast iron boiler requires a high internal temperature to prevent condensation. The High Limit acts as a safety ceiling; the "Economy" feature will manage the actual lower target temperatures for the floors.
    • Economy Dial: Set to "1" (or the number of your heating zones).
      • Reasoning: This activates Thermal Targeting. The control will analyze thermostat activity and automatically lower the boiler's target temperature during milder weather to match the lower heat demand of a radiant system, maximizing efficiency.

    2. Programming Optional Features (The "Pro" Menu)

    • Feature 5: Circulator Hold Off (Enhanced Condensing Protection) — Set to "ON".
      • Reasoning: This is the most critical setting for a radiant system. Radiant floors return very cold water to the boiler, which can cause acidic condensation that rots cast iron. When ON, the control will hold the circulator off until the boiler reaches 125F, ensuring the heat exchanger is hot enough to prevent damage before the cold radiant water starts circulating.
    • Feature 1: Thermal Pre-Purge — Set to "ON".
      • Reasoning: This feature maximizes efficiency by using latent heat left in the boiler from a previous cycle before turning on the burner. In a high-mass radiant system, there is often significant residual heat that can satisfy a small call for heat without burning any gas.
    • Feature 8: Well Type — Set to "b" (Standard Immersion Well).
      • Reasoning: Unless you specifically installed a Hydrolevel "Electro-Well," your boiler uses a standard copper well. Setting this to "b" prevents false "Low Water" alarms caused by lack of metal-to-metal continuity in older wells.
    • Feature 4: Circulator Options — Set to "A" (TT Call Only).
      • Reasoning: For most single-zone radiant setups, you want the pump to turn on only when the thermostat (T-T) calls for heat.

    3. Final Verification

    • Thermal Stacking: After the burner shuts off, you may see the temperature rise above your set limit. This is normal "thermal stacking" as the cast iron continues to release heat into the water.
    • Purge Indicator: If the display reads "Pur", do not be alarmed; the control is simply performing the Thermal Pre-Purge to save fuel.
    • Sensor Depth: Ensure the sensor is inserted ALL THE WAY into the well. If it is not fully seated, the control cannot accurately protect the boiler or your radiant floors.
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,488

    That's what I would have done.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
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    Oil & Gas Burner Service
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