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  • Haledee
    Haledee Member Posts: 19

    a mix of the first 2 options. I would like to try it out myself first without breaking things but if it’s something that I clearly don’t know or will know how to do, then I’ll get a pro.

  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,398

    OK, some more details.

    Why is the pressure so high, radiation to boiler mismatch, radiator EDR vs boiler Square Feet rating. Is the gauge accurate ? Does the pressuretrol work ? Pigtail and path back into the boiler clear of any obstructions.

    Your 5 PSIG is concerning. With your situation you may have an oversized boiler and/or other issues, my house heats fine at no more than 0.07 PSIG (2 inches of Water Column).

    For best performance the boiler size should match the radiators' ability to dissipate the heat the boiler makes (the total of all of the radiators). The steam moves the heat. With the radiators they call it Equivalent Direct Radiation (EDR), with the boiler they call it 'Square Feet' on the rating plate, these two numbers should be close to each other. The EDR of each radiator can be calculated from charts of different radiator types then all the radiator's EDRs are added together.

    A common situation is the boiler is oversized so the radiators can't dissipate all the heat the boiler is producing so the pressure rises, to me this is wasteful. The pressuretrol is suppose to shut off the burner when a certain pressure is reached, commonly 1.5 PSIG. Assuming the pressuretrol is set correctly and operating correctly it needs to be able to monitor the boiler's pressure, this is done through the pipes connecting it to the boiler. Very commonly the pipes (including the pigtail) between the boiler and the pressuretrol plug up with debris causing the pressuretrol to not be able to monitor the boiler's pressure. If you have an oversized boiler the pressure will keep building (until the thermostat is satisfied) since in this example the pressuretrol can't sense the boiler's pressure and shut off the burner.

    A redundant pressure gauge like 0-5 PSI can be added as a second opinion of the system pressure and to verify the pressuretrol functionality.

    Pipe pitch correct, can the system drain condensate back to the boiler properly. Any low spots that traps water. Incorrect piping that traps water.

    Since you have odd noises and hammering and water coming out of the vents, besides possible excessive pressure issues there may be water (condensate) puddled in places where it should not be. So the steam pushes it along to places it should not be. In a steam system the pipes should be pitched so they drain correctly, minimizing the amount of condensate in a steam pipe. With age, renovations and other issues the pipe pitch may not be correct in various places trapping water where it should not be causing problems. The system's pipes should be visually inspected (possibly using a level if needed) for proper pitch.

    Clean boiler water, skim to remove any oil.

    The boiler works best with clean water that is not contaminated with rust or oil and other stuff. Draining the contaminated water can help remove the rust in the water however fresh water has oxygen so draining and refilling should be done as little as possible. Skimming is a process to remove oil contamination from the top of the water. Oil contamination will cause the boiler water to do strange things. Most boilers have a skim port which allows the oil to be drained away from the top surface of the water.

    If you don't have the boiler's manual, with the make and model you probably can find one on the net and it should show where the skim port is.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    MaxMercy
  • dabrakeman
    dabrakeman Member Posts: 866

    Regarding whether the boiler is oversized or not can you remove any of those radiator covers so as to see what you actually have underneath for a radiator? I.e. are they convectors or column style radiators? I would start here, totaling up your radiator sqft and comparing to the rated sqft for the boiler. Then we know whether we are dealing with a vastly oversized boiler situation or not. Secondly making sure the pressuretrol is seeing correct pressure would be an equally high priority. Take the pressuretrol and pigtail off and clean out the pigtail. Also poke a coat hanger through the opening into the boiler to make sure clear there.

    Here are a couple radiator lookup tables to help with totaling up your connected EDR:

    If column or tube types then measure the heights of the radiators from the floor and then the depths. Identify what type (i.e. 2 column) and total the sqft edr given for each section X then number of sections.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 15,508

    most of the radiators in their pictures are sunrad type radiators. that is the shape the cast iron is cast in.

  • neilc
    neilc Member Posts: 3,111

    oversized boiler or not, the Ptrol should be controlling the pressure, fix the ptrol and pigtail,

    known to beat dead horses
    ethicalpaul
  • Haledee
    Haledee Member Posts: 19

    ok, will get someone to take a look for pressurepetrol. Also, I uploaded a new video and I think this could be one of the major causes that I’m having in my system. There is a video titled “11-20-2025-Living Room Radiator Leaking.MOV”. It is leaking from the pipe itself. I’m assuming this is the job for the professionals. I don’t know if this is the cause for high pressure, cycling on and off but definitely the low water issue and maybe the gurgling from the other radiators.

  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,398

    Well water leaks will cause the system to use more water but that is about it in the short term. I believe you have other issues that need attention too.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    ethicalpaul
  • dabrakeman
    dabrakeman Member Posts: 866
  • Haledee
    Haledee Member Posts: 19

    I will have a guy out on Friday. I’ll see what happens after that