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Weil mclain ultra 105

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Hello experts,

I have a WC ultra 105 not communicating with the thermostat. We have 4 thermostats located throughout the house. The 105 kicks on only when we hit the breaker reset. The heat stays on and then when the thermostat is lowered, the heat turns off. The thermostat cannot turn it back on. We have to hit the breaker reset to get heat again. The boiler switch will turn it on but it stays on standby mode. Any help is appreciated.

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  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,309

    Since you have to "hit the breaker reset" I believe your issue is more than a loss of communications with the thermostats.

    Screen color before any reset action ?

    Any error messages ?

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    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • OreoCat
    OreoCat Member Posts: 8
    edited November 17

    No error messages. Screen is still blue-gray. Not red. Thanks for your response.

  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 7,172

    The circuit breaker trips in the electrical panel, but when you reset it it's fine for one boiler cycle then the breaker trips again?

    Turn down all thermostats. Reset breaker. Turn up and check one zone at a time. Check one, then turn down and check the next. Its possible one of the zones will trip the breaker. Circulator?

    OreoCat
  • OreoCat
    OreoCat Member Posts: 8

    The breaker doesn't trip. I turn it off and on and it's the only way the boiler fires up and sends heat all night irregardless of the thermostat (s). If I lower it or turn off the thermostat, it goes to standby mode.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 26,356

    on my boiler standby is shown when the boiler is at temperature or a no heat call

    Depending on piping and control logic, a secondary or primary pump may still be running on a heat call but the boiler does not not need to fire if it is at temperature

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    OreoCatGGross
  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,824

    Do you have multiple thermostats?

    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • OreoCat
    OreoCat Member Posts: 8

    4 thermostats. One in the basement, one on 1st floor, two on second floor. Therevis only baseboard heating on second floor though. Will one bad thermostat disrupt the whole system?

  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,824

    What do they connect to near the boiler?

    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
    cobySuperTech
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 7,172
    edited November 18

    So you basically shut off the switch and turn it back on to fire the boiler. Where does "breaker reset" come from? Never mind, don't answer that.

    When it's running and providing heat, what does it say in the display? On top it should say "fin tube, or hydro coil" or something to show you there's a heat demand. I mention this because you said only the second floor is baseboard. What type of heat is supplying the first floor and basement, and do those zones work without a "breaker reset"?

    That boiler is capable of running multiple circuits at multiple temperatures. So we need to know if the second floor circulator (2 zones on the second floor?) is wired directly to the boiler, or does it go to a zone control panel outside of the boiler?

    What thermostat are we dealing with on the second floor? Is it a four letter word?

  • OreoCat
    OreoCat Member Posts: 8

    Display says fin 2. 1st flr and basement have mini splits, no radiators or baseboard. All thermostats are honewells.

  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 7,172

    So the boiler handles 2 heat zones. What makes domestic hot water?

    Does the wiring for the second floor circulator go into the boiler or a zone control panel?

    It could be as simple as a loose thermostat wire.

    OreoCat
  • OreoCat
    OreoCat Member Posts: 8

    Tankless for hot water. Everything goes into the boiler.

  • OreoCat
    OreoCat Member Posts: 8

    Unsure. Everything is wired into the boiler as far as I know.

  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,824

    Do you have multiple circulators or one circulator and zone valves?

    Some pics would really help here.

    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,309
    edited November 18

    I'd start when it acts up (which seems consistent) that the thermostat voltage is present when expected and the power to the UControl module is normal also. You would need a multimeter and measure AC Volts.

    I believe the Red boxes I added to the image below are the 4 thermostat connections. Once it acts up I would verify for all 4 thermostats that the 24 VAC exists with no call for heat and the 4 inputs individually drop to 0 (zero) VAC during a call for heat. Also I would verify the 120 VAC at P1 and 120 VAC and 24 VAC at the transformer connector P3 when there is a call for heat and the boiler does not respond properly.

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    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    OreoCat
  • OreoCat
    OreoCat Member Posts: 8

    4 thermostats in the walls on different floors all wired into the boiler in the basement. I don't see any pumps outside.

  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 7,172

    Agree, need pics. You said only 2 zones being used for the second floor. The first floor and basement have mini splits, no radiators or baseboard. So how do 4 thermostats go back to the boiler? There must be at least 2 external circulators. One boiler circulator right on top of the boiler, and a system circulator for the second floor loop(s). Pics please.

    In the diagram @109A_5 posted, there should be wires at terminals 1 and 2 on the P15 block. Check the wires and block are secure. Then work your way back with the thermostat wire and tighten any connection or splice all the way back to the thermostat.

    If I were to guess, because we've got nothing to work with, I'd say there's 2 zones for the second floor with a zone control panel. The relay that closes XX to signal a demand to the boiler hangs up, so the boiler remains in Standby. Turning the power off and on is like a defibrillator.

    IronmanOreoCat