J.P. Ward

The rumors have been around for a while, but I've heard that J.P. Ward is out of the fitting business. I haven't heard any thing definite on the Ward Flex part of it. Anvil purchased Ward in the not to distant past and assured everyone there would be no changes, but one of the changes according to one of my wholesalers is that Anvil is reevaluating their pricing schedule. I believe that Grinnell which became or was purchased by Anvil purchased what was left of Stanley G Flagg years ago and scrapped everything. If this is true, I'm assuming (and I hope I'm incorrect on this) we are down to one domestic cast and malleable fitting manufacturer. Wondering what you all have heard.
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I haven't herd anything but I would guess it is true.
Look at what the supply houses are selling:
Propress Copper
Pex of all types
PVC & ABS & Poly
Gas Tite and other CSST
Not only that but a lot of the black and galvanized pipe being sold gets put together with Victaulic, Megapress and welded fittings.
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Nothing wrong with Anvil stuff but we usually saw Ward around here.
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HIgh time America cuts the Red Tape and encourage manufacturing on US Soil again. Mad Dog
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The numbers just don't work to build factories in the US. Currently the labor department estimates 400,000 unfilled factory jobs in the US. They are looking for the same people as all the trades. Looks like we may be going in the wrong direction with entry level job workers these days. Farm workers, factory workers, construction labor, hospitality and food processors are leaving by the bus loads. A shiney new factory with no workers doesn't help much.
Modern factories to be accurate, fast and competitive will be automated. 65% of those jobs will require a degree. These are not low pay entry level jobs and wages. As such the cost of the product needs to cover those wages.
With a new pickup built in Mexico costing upwards 100 grand what would a truck 100% sourced and built in America cost?
Factory jobs, just like trade jobs, and farm jobs have a stigma of low wages, long hours, dirty, possibly unsafe conditions, etc. A major PR issue like our trade. How many people do you know applying for a factory job? Money motivates American workers these days, for the most part.
Farm land and factories are still being gobbled up by foreign investor group.
Uncertainty around tariffs, their %.
Raw material, partial assemblies will still come from across the globe, as the average US built car is 45% imported components.
Not a lot of discussion on how to over-come these obstacles?
There will be a lot of lip service and promises by manufacturers to build US factories, once they run the numbers on the costs involved to build a widget, even if the tax payers cover the cost of the factory build, in the US, not enough consumers are buyers. The stall is on.
China with its 1.4 billion people, a huge, low cost labor pool, started planing in the 1970s to become the worlds tool box and manufacturing powerhouse. They started with massive infrastructure investments.
Around here we barely have enough power to keep residential AC running on a hot day. Interstate grid lock every day. What happened to the 2018 focus on infrastructure improvements?
It starts with a realistic vision, then a pathway to get there. Our leaders, whichever party, just pinball from one problem to the next on a daily basis. Flavor of the day, what makes the headlines.
It would be nice to think someone, enough of us, are working in the background to get er done??
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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Hopefully a reprieve.
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trade jobs and manufacturing have gotten such a bad rap the last 30 years or more, not because they were ever bad jobs but people with degrees had much better communication skills and wooed the kids away from the trades/manufacturing by telling them the degree was their golden ticket to the mountain top and of course we wanted all of our kids to do well, so many of us allowed them to pursue the degree.
Now we are upside down in degrees vs good hand skills. It will take some time but funding trade type schools and classes in regular schools as well as better advertising of the factory/trade work environment would help. The pay is good, the benefits are good, low/no debt upon graduation, typically a job lined up at graduation all good stuff.
Build the plant the hands will come.
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Union factory jobs probably stand a better chance of attracting workers. $$ talks!
Unions were started to prevent factory workers from being exploited. But the wage issue probably would be higher also, further distances the factory from being competitive.
The questions to be asked is would you be willing to pay more for 100% made in USA products? How much more?
I'm not sure what you mean by the pay is good?
Average HVAC jobs pay more than factory jobs do around me, which would you chose? Which would a guidance councilor steer a hands on person too?
Most plumbing and HVAC shops around here will take you right out of high school and train you, earn while you learn the trade. Some shop pick up high school students after school for on the job training.
With the DOE being closed down, schools around here, trade tech included are loosing funding not gaining! Less affluent states when most of the factories are locating to will not have $$ to fund the shortfalls to education from the DOE
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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I have a former co worker who moved to FLA to help his wife take care of her parents. He is working for a local college and struggles to make over $20/hour/ This guy has 40 years experience and he is one of the best technicians I ever met. They are expecting him to train younger guys (so they know he is good) but don't want to pay him more for doing that. He likes the job other than the pay but its probably temp as he wants to move back north.
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Is he not licensed in FL, is that why he doesn't just hang out a shingle to fix it after the big companies gave it 5 tries?
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I think he is working inhouse for a college. I don't know about FLA licensing. he hates it down their because it is too hot, wants to come back north.
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