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J.P. Ward

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AJCimino
AJCimino Member Posts: 45

The rumors have been around for a while, but I've heard that J.P. Ward is out of the fitting business. I haven't heard any thing definite on the Ward Flex part of it. Anvil purchased Ward in the not to distant past and assured everyone there would be no changes, but one of the changes according to one of my wholesalers is that Anvil is reevaluating their pricing schedule. I believe that Grinnell which became or was purchased by Anvil purchased what was left of Stanley G Flagg years ago and scrapped everything. If this is true, I'm assuming (and I hope I'm incorrect on this) we are down to one domestic cast and malleable fitting manufacturer. Wondering what you all have heard.

Mad Dog_2

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  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 18,213

    I haven't herd anything but I would guess it is true.

    Look at what the supply houses are selling:

    Propress Copper

    Pex of all types

    PVC & ABS & Poly

    Gas Tite and other CSST

    Not only that but a lot of the black and galvanized pipe being sold gets put together with Victaulic, Megapress and welded fittings.

    Intplm.
  • HydronicMike
    HydronicMike Member Posts: 76

    I hope not. Ive only used Ward fittings for near boiler piping and oil tanks.

    Mad Dog_2Long Beach Ed
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 18,213

    Nothing wrong with Anvil stuff but we usually saw Ward around here.

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,266

    HIgh time America cuts the Red Tape and encourage manufacturing on US Soil again. Mad Dog

    Long Beach EdPeteACLambmattmia2
  • PeteA
    PeteA Member Posts: 291

    trade jobs and manufacturing have gotten such a bad rap the last 30 years or more, not because they were ever bad jobs but people with degrees had much better communication skills and wooed the kids away from the trades/manufacturing by telling them the degree was their golden ticket to the mountain top and of course we wanted all of our kids to do well, so many of us allowed them to pursue the degree.

    Now we are upside down in degrees vs good hand skills. It will take some time but funding trade type schools and classes in regular schools as well as better advertising of the factory/trade work environment would help. The pay is good, the benefits are good, low/no debt upon graduation, typically a job lined up at graduation all good stuff.

    Build the plant the hands will come.

    CLamb
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 25,325

    Union factory jobs probably stand a better chance of attracting workers. $$ talks!

    Unions were started to prevent factory workers from being exploited. But the wage issue probably would be higher also, further distances the factory from being competitive.

    The questions to be asked is would you be willing to pay more for 100% made in USA products? How much more?

    I'm not sure what you mean by the pay is good?

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    Average HVAC jobs pay more than factory jobs do around me, which would you chose? Which would a guidance councilor steer a hands on person too?

    Most plumbing and HVAC shops around here will take you right out of high school and train you, earn while you learn the trade. Some shop pick up high school students after school for on the job training.

    With the DOE being closed down, schools around here, trade tech included are loosing funding not gaining! Less affluent states when most of the factories are locating to will not have $$ to fund the shortfalls to education from the DOE

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    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    9326yssh
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 18,213
    edited July 5

    I have a former co worker who moved to FLA to help his wife take care of her parents. He is working for a local college and struggles to make over $20/hour/ This guy has 40 years experience and he is one of the best technicians I ever met. They are expecting him to train younger guys (so they know he is good) but don't want to pay him more for doing that. He likes the job other than the pay but its probably temp as he wants to move back north.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 13,439

    Is he not licensed in FL, is that why he doesn't just hang out a shingle to fix it after the big companies gave it 5 tries?

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 18,213
    edited July 5

    I think he is working inhouse for a college. I don't know about FLA licensing. he hates it down their because it is too hot, wants to come back north.