New, unused Peerless 63-04 Brooklyn/Queens area
Good morning. Backstory. During the heating season, the determination was made that my customer needed a new gas steam boiler. Old boiler was leaking. This is in a small four unit building in Brooklyn. Customer was concerned about availability and potential price rises due to tariffs. I took a deposit from the customer and told the customer that I will leave the new boiler in the Boiler room, until after the heating season, when I will do the installation. This way they know they have the boiler and they don't have to be concerned about price hikes. Fast forward. Had a date set up for installation. I told the homeowner, that he should ask his super if he would like the scrap from the old boiler. He can make a little bit of money and I could be saved the trouble of removing and disposing of it. I told customer that I would put the boiler scrap in the backyard and super can take it from there. Everyone agreed all around and we are set up for a win-win situation. I get a call from the homeowner that apparently the super had gone down into the Boiler room to separate the boiler sections and remove from The Boiler room. Just one bit of a problem. The super accidentally sectioned the NEW NEW NEW boiler and removed it to the backyard. Thankfully, this was discovered before we had a chance to dispose of the boiler. So right now we have a brand new boiler, never used, with the individual sections intact but not connected to each other, with the boiler jacket and all of the controls and wiring 100% intact. I am not comfortable reassembling the sections, and hence I am looking for a buyer for the boiler. You would need to buy new push nipples, high temperature rope, and threaded rod and nuts and washers. These items are all relatively inexpensive. If you are interested, please call or text me @ 917-613-0193 or email @ steamdoctor313@gmail.com.
The boiler will either be located in Queens or Brooklyn until it is sold.
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Just to clarify. The jacket and the controls were left in my shop. The only thing that was left in the Boiler room of the homeowner, was the boiler block. The super never laid his hands on the controls or the jacket.....
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How drugged out was that super to disassemble a brand new boiler?!
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Not nearly as drugged out as I am about to be LOL. Just joking. The homeowner and I are taking this surprisingly well!!
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By the way Paul, I'm certain that you don't believe all of the things that they say about oversized boilers. And the best way to prove it, would be to buy a new Peerless boiler, one section larger than what you really need. Install it, fire it up and let's see what happens!!
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I do definitely think they cause high pressure and cycling! Even my 3 section is too big haha. Best of luck!
But honestly, you might consider using this as an educational tool for section assembly!NJ Steam Homeowner.
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probably a good deal for someone as long as the super didnt damage the sections.
I would reassemble it and pressure test it………………..at the supers expence
I mean who is going to eat the cost of the mistake?
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Sections are undamaged. Just need new push nipples, new high temp rope and rod and bolts
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Homeowner is eating the cost. Maybe he will take it up with the super. That's between the two of them. Not my circus not my monkeys
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Reassembling the sections, is technically not to manufacture specs. Which is why it's not listed in the manual. It could be done, if there were sets of circumstances that warranted. But it's a lot of work, and may or may not work. Meaning if it fails the pressure test, then we need to start again..... More time and more expensive. Not something that I would want to do and frankly not something the customer wants. If it was my own boiler in my own house and I had a lot of extra time then maybe. But I know there are guys out there that will have no problem doing this type of work and bless them. That's why I am offering this for sale.
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Well, its up to you and if the HO is paying the freight why should you take any risk? I agree with that, not your fault.
But the risk is low. Assembling a push nipple boiler is pretty easy just take some common sense. Larger boilers always have to be assembled in the boiler room and some boilers (this same Peerless I think) in the larger sizes (more sections) have provisions to split the block to move it into the boiler room and reassemble. See the attached. Page 7. With only 4 sections and 3 joints and the parts on hand a couple of guys could reassemble and hydro test in probably 4 hours
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Peerless only gives instructions on assembling split blocks. Which is essentially assembling two sections. Considerably easier and less of a risk, because each block has one leg sitting on the floor and another one supported by a field assembled support. The middle sections essentially hang in the air and they're held up by the push nipples and the threaded rod. Makes for a delicate balancing challenge, while assembling. I definitely agree that it could be done, and I definitely agree that it's a risk. And the homeowner and I both agree, that it's not a risk that we want to take. Which is why we are trying to sell the boiler.
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I am just trying to help the homeowner recoup some money. And it may be a irrelevant, if we are able to find just the block, at an acceptable price.
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I see that you/the boiler job is in Queens/ Brooklyn area. Contact me if you are leery about reassembling it yourself but would still like to use it. There isn't a Peerless or any manufacturer (oil or gas)for that matter that we haven't had to split and reassemble for NYC installations at some point .
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Steam Doctor...once you put together one or two biggies, it's just following the steps and proper alignment of the sections & faces. The sections are rugged...DM if you need a hand. Mad Dog
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Just saw these responses. I haven't done any biggies but from what I understand they are free-standing and that changes the equation somewhat. Less risk of damage to push nipples.... I spoke to the tech support department at length and it is not technically authorized. Which it is why it is not in the manual? What are the difference between assembling split blocks and assembling the middle sections, which essentially float on air and are held in place by the threaded rod. It's certainly could be done. And if there was a compelling reason, that would certainly be an option. But for a brand new boiler..... I don't think that it's a great idea and neither does the homeowner. He is absorbing the loss.
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UPDATE. Was able to find a new block, at a relatively low price. Meaning won't cost an arm and a leg. Maybe just a few fingers!!
If anyone is interested in buying any or all of the sections, please reach out.
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I don't see any difference between individual sections and a split block. If anything individual sections are easier IMHO.
With my experience with push nipples they either pull together or they don't. If they pull together your fine and if it doesn't pull together something is wrong and you will know it during assembly.
You basically clean the nipple ports and nipples put the sealer (lube) on them set them in place with a wood or rubber mallet or a hammer and a block of wood, make sure they are square line things up and pull together and pressure test.
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Just for the sake of full transparency. I have never actually assembled boiler sections. That said, the middle sections on the Peerless 63 do not have legs. They float in the air and are held together by the push nipples and the threaded rod. You essentially would need to build a platform, and then assemble all four sections at the same time. I would assume that there is a risk that the sections would not move together in perfect sync, which could lead to damage to the push nipples.... Would have to pressure test, and if there is any leakage would need to everything apart and try again. And replace the push nipples. Peerless does not allow reusing the push nipples. And for that matter, they absolutely do not allow such assembly out in the field. For precisely this reason I'm assuming. But I am an amateur in this regard and my ears are open
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I have put together many push nipple boilers. The only one I had a problem with was an HB SMITH model 2000 back in the 70s. One push nipple got crooked while being pulled together but we knew it wasn't going right so we backed off before any damage. Its like making on a threaded fitting you start it and you can teel if its not going right.
All the sections set on the floor with legs. One of the legs the casting was a little short on the leg so problems can happen. We got a new push nipple and lifted that section with a crowbar and it pulled right in.
The company I worked for did some work for Buderus. When they sold a CI boiler and it was going into the building with a Crane and not individual sections they would ship the sections to us to assemble in our shop.
We had 1 tech that used to oversee the assembly in the shop. The only time we had a problem was when he was out they had an inexperienced guy do it and it leaked.
Sounds like trouble but the rate of a failure is very low. Those boilers (the Buderus) had no legs on the middle sections just the front and back and they all had to be pulled together at the same time. Buderus used to ship a hydraulic assembly tool to use.
I never did one of those myself.
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Its really not a big deal. Don't let the size , bulk & weight put you off. Mad Dog
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