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How to Install a Toilet? Step-by-Step Advice

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  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 1,167
    edited March 12

    Not plumber, but I've installed a number of toilets. My advice is to ditch the wax ring and use a Danco Perfect Seal. Wax rings can work OK, but they can also be problematic if you're not experienced using them. One common problem with wax rings is if the floor isn't flat, the toilet will rock slightly in use, leading to evenual failure of the wax seal. Also, if you mis-align the toilet the first install attempt and then try to re-seat it on the wax ring, you can deform the wax in a way that causes it to leak.

    The Danco design prevents leakage even if the toilet rocks, and is more forgiving of re-positioning the toilet during install. It also allows for a wide range of flange heights above or below floor level.

    You must read and follow the instructions for the Danco, as there are two removable pieces (a black hard plastic ring and a blue soft silicone ring) that you may or may not need to use, depending on how the floor flange is set (ie how high/low the flange surface extends above/below floor level). So after you remove the old toilet and scrape the old wax ring off the flange, be sure to check the flange height above/below floor surface, and read and follow the Danco instructions for that particular flange height.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/DANCO-Perfect-Seal-Toilet-Wax-Ring-with-Bolts-10826X/206393853

    Also buy a pack of plastic toilet shims and use them during install to shim any gaps and prevent the toilet from rocking if the floor isn't flat.

    One common mistake is over-tightening the bolts that hold the toilet to the flange. Over-tightening can crack the toilet base, or it can crack the flange if the flange is PVC. Just make the bolts snug, after shimming if necessary to prevent rocking. It's a flat floor or shims that stops the toilet from rocking, not the bolts. And if you can't make the toilet sit flat on the floor, that means your flange is sticking up too high and preventing the toilet from sitting flush on the floor. In that case you may have failed to remove the extender pieces from the Danco ring.

    ethicalpaulHap_Hazzard
  • MikeL_2
    MikeL_2 Member Posts: 527

    Google " Trouble free toilets ".

    It's an informative article in Fine Homebuilding magazine.

  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,520
    edited March 12

    The first thing is to choose the correct toilet.

    Measure from the back wall to the bolts that fasten the toilet to the flange. Most often that measurement will be twelve inches. That is what's called the "rough in measurement".Toilets are commonly offered in ten, twelve and fourteen inch rough in measurements. Yours most likely will be a twelve inch but take that measurement anyway.

    The next is wether you want a round or elongated bowl, a comfort height or common height and a selected color. And do you want it in a one or two piece.

    I would look for a toilet that offers a cylinder type flush valve and not a flapper. Cylinder type seem to be less problematic. Kohler has a few models that are very good in this design.

    When you pull the old toilet up look to see if the floor underneath is rotted. Check the flange to make sure that it is also not rotted out. If it is, there are replacement flange rings that work nicely when installed properly. It should be level or about a quarter inch above the floor and fastened with screws that are water resistant.

    I use wax gaskets. Sometimes two. One deep with a "horn"against the flange the other a regular wax gasket on top of that one.

    -one toilet

    -one or two wax gaskets

    -One flexible braided closet riser/supply tube at the required length. (longer is easier than shorter)

    -One or two replacement closet flange ring and ring spacers .

    -one set of jonni bolts.

    -Screws for the flange.

    There are also plastic and rubber shims that are available just in case you need them.

    If you decide to purchase this at a big box hardware store like Lowes or HD get all the things mentioned on that list. You can return what you don't use.

    Before you go to the store, turn the water off before you leave to make sure the water shuts off at the toilet. If not, add a shut off valve to your list.

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,838
    1. Heavy drop cloth or moving blanket
    2. Empty tank and bowl
    3. Slice old nuts off closet bolts
    4. Pull Bowl & take outside.
    5. Clean underneath
    6. Check flange for breaks, holes
    7. Install New BRASS Closet (Johnny bolts) bolts . Center of pipe east & west. Use an extra wax ring & pinch some off. Mold the wax around base of New bolts to stand them.up like soldiers.
    8. Carefully place New bowl over bolts & stand up & make sure bowl is not skewed.
    9. Use a fat pencil & outline the bowl on floor.
    10. Pull bowl & set on heavy blanket
    11. Use a Deep Seal Wax Ring over flange
    12. Mix a Large can of Plaster of Paris to a pudding like thickness. If you have the grout that you used for the floor mix that in to.
    13. Have a large bucket w Clean water ready & a Large sponge.
    14. Place Plaster all around the outside of the wax ring & the pencil mark outline.
    15. Set bowl over bolts in to Plaster & put full body weight w knees.
    16. Make sure it's straight.
    17. Quickly throw the washers & nuts on bolts, handtight .
    18. Work fast & cut all excess plastic away & dump in garbage.
    19. Run the damp sponge all the way around the base & fill in any gaps
    20. Keep rinsing sponge & getting all.plaster off.
    21. Tighten nuts very gingerly with crescent wrench.

    Hard parts over.....Use a nice hard, chrome played Tank supply with a Ridgid Bender for a Truly neat & professional look. Use a flex otherwise.

    Dont forget a toilet seat! Mad Dog

    Intplm.mattmia2delcrossvLong Beach Ed
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,520
    edited March 13

    Luv it! But this is a do it your self person @Mad Dog_2. I was trying to take it easy on him.

    I remember long ago the plaster use. Never was made to do it in my 45+years. I also remember being taught to us a donut made of plumbers putty instead of a wax gasket. Never did that either. Gotta Luv your list just the same.

    Mad Dog_2
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,838
    edited March 13

    Putty is a nice cushion for the ceramic but is not going to help lock it down from moving. I've installed floor mounted bowls in high rise apartments where the Foreman ONLY wanted us to silicone around bottom of bowl/toilet base...NO Plaster. They had to reset over a hundred of them - In Plaster 2-3 yrs later...all moving..Mad Dog

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  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,363

    After the bowl and tank are dry, I would remove the tank and take it outside.

    Then remove the bowl to take out. Easier than lugging the complete assembly.

    Getting old…….

    I always bring an old newspaper for the job. Use putty knife to remove wax and wipe it into the newspaper, then fold the paper up to contain the old wax.

    Use part of the paper to make a softball size plug to put in the flange if not installing the new WC immediately. (sewer gas and debris protection).

    And I know from experience that if you forget the paper plug, it will flush away….don't ask.

    And also I put the bowl down first and then add the tank…..still older….though I always have added the tank after the bowl…even when younger.

    It is a easier job just setting the bowl first.

    In old houses there are often surprises after removing the bowl. I have even found carriage bolts thru the floor with nuts in the basement. Many times no flange, just lead riser peened over onto the floor and lag bolts into the wood or remains of such.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,047

    The flange with slots for the bolts is a mid century or so innovation. They used to just be bolted to the floor over the flange which was usually formed out of a lead pipe.

  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,704
    edited March 13

    Mad Dog is a New York artist and that's a first class New York installation. I think Chicago is the only other town setting bowls in plaster?

    And is New York the only place outlawing those exploding hoses and requiring a 3/8" copper supply pipe? Have you seen the toilet supply hose that caused $3.6 million in damages? The plumber's insurer paid every cent.

    Hey Dog… how about the marble closet slab if the floor's wood?

    Mad Dog_2
  • HeatingHelp.com
    HeatingHelp.com Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 132

    The original post here was spam. I've removed the spammer, but kept the topic going. Thanks to all who gave advice to help other forum members in the future. Feel free to keep talking.

    Forum Moderator

    Intplm.mattmia2
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,838

    Marble are nice & I recently posted a Picture of a really nice porcelain one. Mad Dog

    mattmia2Long Beach Ed
  • jesmed1
    jesmed1 Member Posts: 1,167
    edited March 14

    Just so we all understand what was going on…was that some kind of AI bot trying to "learn" how to install a toilet?

    Intplm.Lyle {pheloa} Carter
  • Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes Member Posts: 4,340
    edited March 14

    Solid brass closet bolts are getting harder to find. All my local suppliers only have the thinly coated iron ones which are guaranteed to rot.

    And I always double nut the bolts; first to the flange and then to the bowl.

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  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,520

    @Alan (California Radiant) Forbes Try these. They are without a dought the best I have ever used. They are called set fast closet bolts. Heavy duty and you don't have to cut them.

    Alan (California Radiant) ForbesMad Dog_2Grallert
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,512

    Opinions on 1/4-20 vs 5/16-18 for closet bolts?

    I used 5/16-18 my self, but it seemed like that wasn't common.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • pjc_2
    pjc_2 Member Posts: 8

    Clarify for me because I'm a little confused. Who is Andrew? Is he the forum moderator now?

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,512

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,047

    is that a stud you thread in and out of the tee nut to adjust the length?

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,047

    a toilet seems like a pretty big thing to support with a 1/4" bolt. i know it is just to keep someone from levering it off the floor but even that is a lot of force for a 1/4" bolt.

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,838

    I stay with "Johnny Bolts" whatever brand? Hercules? Thick, solid brass. But those look cool. Andrew is fambly...Mad Dog

    Long Beach Ed
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,520

    Yes. The first time I used them was this past summer. The heavens rang out from above when I saw them and installed them. Was so damned happy I didn't have to kneel down one more time to cut the excess bolt away and there was no chance of scratching the toilet. Ahhhh.

    mattmia2Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,838

    Intplm....Who makes those closet flange bolts? Mad Dog

    Intplm.
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,520

    Hey there @Mad Dog_2I think they are made by Fluidmaster. They are called "setfast" bolts. Others may offer them too. I just discovered these this past summer. You won't regret using them. They are heavy similar to Johnibolts and make for a happy installer. 🙂

  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,704
    edited March 17

    Eighteen years??? Goodness… we read about you when you starting high school.

    Does that mean I'm getting old?

    Mad Dog_2HeatingHelp.com
  • Erin Holohan Haskell
    Erin Holohan Haskell Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 2,360

    @Long Beach Ed, time sure does fly. And now our kid is almost in high school.

    President
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    Intplm.Long Beach Ed
  • Hap_Hazzard
    Hap_Hazzard Member Posts: 2,896

    Is it just me or have toilet flanges gotten flimsy lately? It seems like I can't get some toilets snug before the flange starts bending upwards, and they aren't even springy enough to exert any tension and they just get looser over time.

    Just another DIYer | King of Prussia, PA
    1983(?) Peerless G-561-W-S | 3" drop header, CG400-1090, VXT-24
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,520

    Its not just you. Some replacement flanges are a bit flimsy. Some full flanges too. I also try to avoid the plastic flanges. I have been using the stainless steel ones. Stainless prevents a lot of hassles.

    Hap_Hazzard

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