CGA Temperature

Hi all. Illinois plumber here trying to learn more about the heating side. How do you determine the boiler temperature setting on a cast iron unit using fin tube baseboard?
I’ve installed a few and always just set the temperature at 180, but I noticed on some service calls their temperature is set to like 150-160, and i always leave it be if there were no complaints.
Curious why this would be set lower on some (seemingly identical) systems.
Looking forward to replies, thanks!
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it depends on the amount of hot water baseboard there is in the building compared to the actual heat loss of the building. Any specification sheet on a particular model of baseboard heating units will give you the heating capacity per linear foot based on the average water temperature of the water in the baseboard radiator. If you design on a 160°F water temperature there will be about 20% more radiator per room. If you design for 180° average temperature, then you will save $$$ on material cost, at the expense of operating at a higher temperature. operating at a higher temperature will cost more in energy consumption. If you are designing from scratch, and you give your customer the choice of more radiators and lower operating costs, then they may be interested in a higher price for more radiators.
If you are replacing a boiler on an existing radiator system and you don't know the design criteria then you can try a lower temperature limit setting, but be prepared to return on a extremely cold day to increase the limit temperature. Remember that you will probably be dealing with frozen pipes for other customers that day in the future. Just leave it at 180° limit, and forget it.
Edward Young Retired
After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?
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Thanks Ed!
What a wealth of knowledge you’ve offered me within my first hour of being a member here. So Grateful!
If I understand correctly, when unsure of the design temperature, setting it at 180 is always ok to do? Even if it WAS designed for say 160? Just trying to avoid those recalls on freezing days like you said!
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Generally, a supply temperature of 180°F is only need at design conditions. Lower temperature can and are used during warmer weather. Outdoor resets 256 - tekmar. With cast iron boilers 130° return temp is about minimum to prevent condensing in the exhaust gases.
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A control that modulates the boiler temperature can save fuel and provide comfort. The boiler should only run full temperature on the coldest or highest load days.
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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the not going so low that the boiler condenses is important. without doing some math or measurements you probably don't want to go below 150f.
lower boiler temps will make it run longer cycles and be more even. It is unlikely to have a significant effect on efficiency. not oversizing the boiler, sizing it to the heat loss of the structure is what will keep it from cycling or getting hotter than it needs to.
though it is possibly if they designed for 170 awt and got the sizing of the emitters pretty close to the actual heat loss, it is rather unlikely that 150 f vs 180f swt is going to make the difference between if it heats adequately at design conditions or not but lowering it 30 f degrees also probably has little benefit with a cast iron boiler and fin tube baseboard.
with cast iron radiators it could make a big difference because once you heat up all that mass of cast iron and water it radiates heat for a long time after and if there is too much heat in that system it could cause overheating after the call ends.
idronics is good to read to understand this:
This book is also good(you don't necessarily need the current edition, you can get a used copy of and older edition):
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