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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 13,292

    so then how would a main lug panel with a backfed breaker supplying the panel work?

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,804
    edited January 12

    I don't understand?

    My 100A panel has a limitation of something like 100-150A per location.

    How would that not work in your question?

    Let's say it's 100a on my panel. It means I have a 80a two pole breaker for my sub panel on the I'm left and to the right of it I have two 20s. That's 100a for that location and it's technically maxed out. You couldn't do an 80 two pole and then 40s across from it.

    The larger 200a panels allow higher. I think 200 actually.

    Here's a thread on it.

    https://www.electriciantalk.com/threads/max-breaker-size-for-qo-load-center.276384/

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 13,292
    edited January 12

    if it is backfed through a breaker, all of the current flowing on the bus has to enter through that position so any position on the bus has to be capable of carrying the full current of the bus.

    the larger breakers taking 2 positions per pole solves the problem of the stab being rated for less than the bus. if you are using a breaker listed for use i that panel it will take 2 positions per pole if one stab can't handle the current.

    we have drifted way off topic here.

    ksand2994
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,804
    edited January 12

    Yes we have

    But you're still asking a question that makes no sense. If you can install a 100A breaker in a 100A panel that breaker can carry the entire load of the bus. You just may but not be able to install breakers adjacent to it.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

    EBEBRATT-Ed
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 6,828
    edited January 12

    There's two breakers marked A/C. What are they connected to? Is there central air conditioning AND a ductless system for the sun room?

    ksand2994
  • ksand2994
    ksand2994 Member Posts: 7

    Yes. There is central AC and a ductless system.

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 18,135

    @ChrisJ, @mattmia

    Most 100A back fed panels are rated 125 for some reason. Back in the day you could put in a 100, 125, 150 or 200 amp service. Some POCOs will not allow that now. Most everyone will allow a 100 or 200. I did do a 125 once when I was going to upgrade a 60A fused service to 100. This guy had:

    Electric hot water heater

    electric stove

    electric dryer

    and was adding a 3 ton AC system

    The load calc showed that the 100 amp was large enough but I went with a 125. The POCO allowed it. I had existing 1 1/4" rigid conduit from the weatherhead to the meter and from the meter in the building that was nicely cut into the siding that I didn't want to change that. The meter socket was ok. I called the inspector and he told me meter sockets have no amp rating so go ahead and use it and the conduit was large enough for the wire I needed.

    But back to the point. A back fed panel takes up two stabs with a 100 or 125 amp breaker.

    150 amp services I have done a few but you can do a 200 for practically the same money in most cases.

    At my house I sold I had to change the service drop location as it was illegal since the 1955 house was built. I put a 150 amp meter main on the outside. Theis made the feeder going in the house which has to be 4 wire I got away with I think 1/0 copper instead of 2/0 copper for a 200 and was able to use 1 1/2" emt about 30 feet across the garage to the new ML panel in the basement so it save a couple of bucks and the house has gas heat and HW, stove and dryer