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Underslab Plumbing

It was only because my daughter and son-in-law asked me to do this work for their ADU that I agreed to take on this work, but I was pleasantly surprised that at my age, I was still able to do it.

Shower in the back, then the toilet followed by the lavatory and then the sink drain off to the left.

8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518

    Looks great Alan. I like the wyes and 1/8th bends...Mad Dog

    Alan (California Radiant) Forbesold_diy_guy
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,196

    ABS DWV piping and it looks great, I especially like how you piped the shower drain and vent.

    Nice job.

    Mad Dog_2Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
  • I left out an end of line cleanout. They will have to pull the toilet if it ever clogs.

    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
    Intplm.
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 24,849

    Very nice work. Not to worry about the cleanout — pulling the toilet is no big deal.

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
  • MikeL_2
    MikeL_2 Member Posts: 514

    Very neat, looks great. A toilet connection is an acceptable clean out.

    We prefer to " wash " vents to prevent dry horizontal vents below a fixtures flood level.

    Alan (California Radiant) ForbesZman
  • 8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • MikeL_2
    MikeL_2 Member Posts: 514

    Dry horizontal vents below a fixtures flood level can become blocked if there's a soilage back - up, with no easy way to clear the vent. Connecting the lavatory drain ( 1.25" ) to the shower vent allows for washing & snaking; not a wet vent, but a combination waste & vent......

    Alan (California Radiant) ForbesZmanIntplm.
  • Thanks, @MikeL_2. That makes a lot of sense and seems like a practical thing to do.
    As you can see, I installed a 2” drain for the lav because I’ve had to snake too many clogged lav drains before.

    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • MikeL_2
    MikeL_2 Member Posts: 514

    Alan,

    I've discovered 100's of dry horizontal vents below fixture flood levels in my 50 plus year career; mostly on tub & shower drains. And more than half of those vents were plugged with hair, soap scum, & other organic matter.

    In my experience there are way more less than ideal vent connections on tubs & showers; only about 10% are ideal. It's so interesting because there's always a way to be code compliant. I don't asign fault or blame because the installers were probably taught to do it that way......

    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
  • leonz
    leonz Member Posts: 1,339
    edited May 29

    A toilet with a bidet and 3 inch trap would reduce clogging. I don't remember which brand it is but it has a 4 inch water port in the tank above the 3 inch trap.

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    edited May 30

    On High Rise buildings We'll use a Drinking fountain waste stack to "wash" the multi-story vent stack . Mad Dog

    PC7060
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,196

    Either way is good. I often do it the way you did @Alan (California Radiant) Forbes upping the diameter of the drain pipe is a great way to go.

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,315

    @Alan (California Radiant) Forbes

    Curious why the toilet has it's own 2" vent when the shower vent is right there?

    California is under UPC code no?

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230

    is the shower vent a wet vent with a sink connected to it. if not it is against code.

  • Charlie from wmass
    Charlie from wmass Member Posts: 4,372

    @Alan (California Radiant) Forbes Is it standard procedure in your area to install the piping so high then back fill? We need to leave as much in the trench as we can in Mass. I also have seen nightmares when GCs back fill so I always show up on back fill day.

    Cost is what you spend , value is what you get.

    cell # 413-841-6726
    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/charles-garrity-plumbing-and-heating
    MikeL_2
  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230

    international plumbing code

  • Charlie from wmass
    Charlie from wmass Member Posts: 4,372

    @mikedo I haven't seen that in IPC I only have Massachusetts code on hand right now. Could you show me where in IPC it says that? I love learning about other areas codes.

    Cost is what you spend , value is what you get.

    cell # 413-841-6726
    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/charles-garrity-plumbing-and-heating
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,315
    edited May 31

    I think a new rule or decorum here should be if you're going to cite code you should post a screenshot of the actual code or copy and paste the text and the location it applies to.

    This avoids any confusion and helps others learn.

    This is common in electrical groups and honestly I feel it's very beneficial to everyone.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

    Charlie from wmassPC7060
  • Charlie from wmass
    Charlie from wmass Member Posts: 4,372
    Cost is what you spend , value is what you get.

    cell # 413-841-6726
    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/charles-garrity-plumbing-and-heating
    ChrisJ
  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230

    ill try to find it and post it. maybe some one can show me in a code book its legal

  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230
    MikeL_2
  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230

    its not just for floor drains its any vent.

    Charlie from wmass
  • Charlie from wmass
    Charlie from wmass Member Posts: 4,372

    @mikedo did you read the IPC screenshot I posted?

    Cost is what you spend , value is what you get.

    cell # 413-841-6726
    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/charles-garrity-plumbing-and-heating
  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230

    yes where does it say it can go horizontal before tying in bestto post pictures from a codebook

  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230

    tying into vent sorry about the typo

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518

    I like to indivually vent fixtures, but Wet Venting get very creative and fun. When I began in the mid 1980s, I did my apprenticeship in NYC code. "All fixtures shall individually vented within two feet of the trap. It was simple and worked perfectly. After Stony Brook, I worked for R.S. English on Long Island, so then I learned Wet Venting. My Master Plumbers Exam was on NYS Code...tons of Wet venting.

    Now, even NYC code allows limited Wet venting. It's all good. Mad Dog

  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230

    nothing wrong with indivually venting every fixture fixture guaranteed to work. vents is probally one of the most misunderstood chapters in the code book. it can just save so much time if you vent a 3 piece bath with a single vent instead of 3. im not as good as i used to be with the venting i dont do it as much anymore. really helps if you get a code book with the commentary but there expensive. nyc has their own way of doing things and im not familiar wiyh there codes

    MikeL_2
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518

    I've found the most roughing mistakes are made by guys that don't understand the principles of venting. Yes, Code with Commentary is an excellent study guide. When I sat for my Master Plumber exam in 1998, I took that thin typing paper you could see through and traced out ALL the venting diagrams: Circuit, Loop, Island, unit, local, backvent, trombone vent, stack vent, wet vent.

    That helped me memorize how they were piped. Then I just mimicked them over & over until it was burned in my brain. Mad Dog

    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
  • Charlie from wmass
    Charlie from wmass Member Posts: 4,372

    @Mad Dog_2 we both took our master exams the same year lol. Do you wish you took yours earlier? I know I wish I took it the first year I was eligible instead of procrastinating.

    Cost is what you spend , value is what you get.

    cell # 413-841-6726
    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/charles-garrity-plumbing-and-heating
    Mad Dog_2
  • MikeL_2
    MikeL_2 Member Posts: 514

    I took & passed the unlimited Plumbing license test in 1980; a lot more learning has taken place since then.

    Alan (California Radiant) ForbesMad Dog_2
  • pedmec
    pedmec Member Posts: 1,066

    in Massachusetts you could have wet vented the whole bathroom. Most bathrooms are wet vent in Boston and the surrounding areas and its saves a lot of time. it's the preferred method as old construction is very prohibited. a lot of these old homes on the east coast are not easy to get the piping in.

    ChrisJMad Dog_2
  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230

    what code book does mass use for residental single family homes

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,315

    California code is more forgiving than Mass as well.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,315
    edited June 1

    @mikedo

    Slightly modified IPC.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518

    I took the exam just as I had the 7 yrs W-2s, under a Licensed Master Plumber. I took a 5 year detour for College after my 4 yr apprenticeship. I free-lanced for plumbers, ran a PT Sewer & Drain business during College. I was 31 was I got my Plate. Mad Dog

  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230

    i live in connecticut and have a p1 and s1 the s1 is for hvac they are both unlimited contractors. the state of connecticut does virtually nothing to enforce the need for a licencse. you cant get a permit without it but that doesnt stop the hundreds of thousands of people working without one. my friend just left californa only the owner needs a licencse so the unions are slow because unskilled people are willing to work for alot less. so not sure it was worth the time and effort to get it.

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518

    Unfortunately, licensing only puts the burden on the legit guys, financially, and punitive. Unlicensed & Ininsured guys run amok with impunity. There's nothing to take away from them..Mad Dog

    PC7060
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 16,474

    Just think about this. Go to HD or Lowe's and look around at all the plumbing and electrical material sold in their stores.

    How much of that material is installed on jobs that have permits and inspections?

    1%, 5%, 10%???????

    Mad Dog_2
  • mikedo
    mikedo Member Posts: 230

    probally 5%. although i do shop there one is 3 minutes from my house and on certain items they have better pricing. its 20 plus minutes to the nearest supply house so even if there a little more time is money.

    Mad Dog_2