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Stop steam vent whistling

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Precaud
Precaud Member Posts: 383
in Strictly Steam
I for one am not bothered by vents making noise. I kinda like keeping in touch with what my steam system is doing, via the noises it makes. And since venting the main, I rarely hear anything from the radiator vents, except air being drawn in through open vents at the end of a cycle. Once or twice, during the first cycle of recovery from a setback, I have heard a faint whistle from the vent on the last radiator in the chain. It happened after the main vent closes and steam starts filling the radiator. Nothing objectionable.

But for those that are bothered by it, there's an easy fix. Acoustically speaking, vents are like miniature flutes. With sufficient air velocity, they will resonate at three frequencies and their harmonics, related to the length of the orifice cylinder, the circumference of the vent orifice, and the circumference of the surface around that orifice. The orifice dimensions are the dominant components. The smaller the hole, the higher the pitch, and the less audible it willl be (for humans; your dog or cat may have a different opinion... :) ). If any of those three dimensions are close to being integer multiples of each other, their resonance (and harmonics) will add, be much louder, with a more distinctive pitch.

The easy solution is to chamfer (countersink) the hole. This shortens the cylinder and makes the transition from the orifice into free air happen gradually, i.e. over a range of frequencies, like I've done to the MoM screw-in valve shown below. On this valve, I enlarged the hole with a 5/64" drill bit, which makes it a "#5.5", in between a #5 and a #6, and then countersunk the flat top with a 7/16" drill bit. This small countersink is sufficient to turn a whistle into a hiss.


1950 Bryant boiler in a 1-pipe steam system at 7,000 ft in northern NM, where basements are rare.

Hap_HazzardFred

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  • Fred
    Fred Member Posts: 8,542
    The better solution might be to keep the system pressure down, below a pound or so that the air/steam velocity is low enough to avoid whistling or hissing. That may mean resetting and/or calibrating the Pressuretrol and making sure the pigtail is clean and open so that the Pressuretrol can see the system pressure and manage it.
    Precaudethicalpaul
  • gfrbrookline
    gfrbrookline Member Posts: 776
    My Gorton vent's still make some noise even at 2 oz when venting the cool air with three big mouth main vents. I think they would be quieter if the hole was on the top instead of the side as I think the side hole gives a flute/organ effect. I didn't hear anything with Ventrites but my system is much more responsive with larger Gorton's so I am happy to live with a little non-offensive noise.

    Maybe I just made the case for MoM but I still think Gorton's are better quality. Just my opinion.
  • Precaud
    Precaud Member Posts: 383
    Fred said:

    The better solution might be to keep the system pressure down, below a pound or so that the air/steam velocity is low enough to avoid whistling or hissing.

    Not really. My system shows no measurable pressure at any point in the cycle.

    1950 Bryant boiler in a 1-pipe steam system at 7,000 ft in northern NM, where basements are rare.

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,046
    edited March 2020
    Fred said:

    The better solution might be to keep the system pressure down, below a pound or so that the air/steam velocity is low enough to avoid whistling or hissing. That may mean resetting and/or calibrating the Pressuretrol and making sure the pigtail is clean and open so that the Pressuretrol can see the system pressure and manage it.

    Fred,
    Please read his post again.

    except air being drawn in through open vents at the end of a cycle.


    Not to mention if pressure is high enough to make a Pressuretrol of any kind "see the pressure and manage it" it's too high to be silent and most certainly will make some sound.

    From what I recall, both Hoffman and Gorton vents will produce noise at 1/4 PSI.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

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