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347
347 Member Posts: 143
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I just looked a job , the customer want to install radiant heating in his shower. The shower is about 6X7. It will have a custom fiberglass pan (instead of vinyl) . How can I secure the pex on the floor without making screwing up the fiberglass. I was thinking of maybe having the fiberglass guy install a pex rail on the fiberglass before it hardens up.
Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.

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  • Zman
    Zman Member Posts: 7,569
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    I would put it in the walls.
    https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/home-heating-systems/radiant-heating
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough"
    Albert Einstein
    Rich_49GordyGroundUp
  • 347
    347 Member Posts: 143
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    Looks good , but not an option. There is too much plumbing in tne walls, soap niches, shampoo niches. Floor seems to be the only option.
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 22,139
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    can you get below the area where the shower is too fasten up some transfer plates?

    I have also routed pex into the subfloor in small areas like that. A 5/8" core box router bit, same as you would use to adjust Warmboard.
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • 347
    347 Member Posts: 143
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    Can't get below, but the router idea is a good one. I'm assuming under the fiberglass and mud. Thanks for replies.
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 1,948
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    Build up the floor under the pan to accommodate the radiant.
    Rich_49
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 22,139
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    347 said:

    Can't get below, but the router idea is a good one. I'm assuming under the fiberglass and mud. Thanks for replies.

    Assuming you have enough subfloor to accommodate some grooves.

    For just a small area like that I have used 3/8" soft copper, a small 3/8 OD, 1/4 ID, probably 50- 60-' max length. I think it comes in a 60' coil.

    I used 3/8 copper in some concrete counter top radiant in my bath rooms, great heat conductor that copper :)
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
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    With a fiberglass shower pan I'd think that it would warm up pretty fast once the shower is going. Tiled floor different matter. There would be more benefit in the walls especially with tile. Even if only on one or two walls.

    Are all shower walls interior partitions or is an exterior wall in the mix?
  • 347
    347 Member Posts: 143
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    Thanks again for the reply. Gordy, the shower is entirely inside no outside walls. The floor of the shower will be tile on a mud floor over a fiberglass pan.
    Hot Rod, not sure how I feel about the copper, but it is another option.
    Might try and re-visit the walls and have them move the nitches.
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 1,948
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    Are you able to step the floor up under the shower to allow for the radiant?
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
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    347 said:

    Thanks again for the reply. Gordy, the shower is entirely inside no outside walls. The floor of the shower will be tile on a mud floor over a fiberglass pan.
    Hot Rod, not sure how I feel about the copper, but it is another option.
    Might try and re-visit the walls and have them move the nitches.

    Don't forget the ceiling as an extra option.

    I see about the pan. I did mine old school. Dry pack preslope. PVC pan with dry pack mud bed then tile. The old one had a lead shower pan. Lasted over 60 years.
    SENWiEco
  • 347
    347 Member Posts: 143
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    Gordy, The dry pack under the pan is not a bad idea, I'd have to ask the fiberglass guy if it could work. I'm thinking the dry pack my Crack and ruin the fiberglass.
    INTPIM, I have speak to the contactor about the floor height, I know there having issues with the existing floor.
    Thanks again.
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
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    If you can find out exactly what he’s using you could better address it.

    The “fiberglass” pan has me wondering. Is this a cast in place fiberglass pan on a preslope? Most reputable tilers do not like those.

    Then if there is a preslope. Will they use cheater strips to get the slope? If so that kind of screws you from running pex in the preslope.

    Generally the preslope should end up 3/4” min. At the drain, and thicker from there at 1/4” per foot slope. I’ll post some pics.

    I hope this is not a traditional fiberglass shower pan that they are going to tile over......
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
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    As you can see there are some time saving products for presloping that would not work for you.

    Can you go under floor like @hot_rod mentioned earlier. One thing that would address is a shower pan leak couldn’t not be blamed on your radiant. If there is going to be a foam based preslope it would reduce output though.




  • 347
    347 Member Posts: 143
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    Gordy, we make the shower pan base custom. We slope the sub floor with 3/4" strips to nothing from the wall to the drain, then install 5/8" plywood on the tapper and route the drain into the 5/8" so it's flush with the plywood. Then the fiberglass guy does his thing.

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