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Change the pressure on this Burnham/Megasteam Beckett/Honeywell Burner combo? Someone did.

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Jack M
Jack M Member Posts: 229
edited November 2016 in Oil Heating
Why did Burnham change the oil pressure/nozzle spec for the Becket/Megasteam burners halfway through 2013? And should the pre-2013 installations follow suit?
Oil pressure was increased from 150 to 180 and the nozel gph decreased by 12%. The change was for all the boilers except the smallest (MST288) in the Megasteam lineup. Why did Burnham change the spec and would a pre-2013 boiler benefit by moving to the higher pressure? Nothing else on the boiler seems to have changed in 2103.

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  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,506
    edited November 2016
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    They probably changed it as the result of firing in the laboratory. It's not uncommon. Higher pressure atomizes the fuel better and gives better combustion. Keep in mind the angle and hollow/solid (A or 'B') may have changed too.
    There are charts to show higher pressure/lower nozzle gph adjustments.
    You can change it. But you have to do 2 things.
    -Mark on the burner that you changed the pump pressure (confirm with pressure gauge) & nozzle, so anyone else who works on the burner doesn't change back to the bigger nozzle with the higher pressure.
    -Do a complete combustion analysis after you change the nozzle. Draft first, then a smoke test. Most likely the air band will need to be adjusted (via a smoke test).
    If you combustion results are the same or better, you can leave it.
    Also note the different head sizes for the higher pressures.
    steve
    Ironman
  • Jack M
    Jack M Member Posts: 229
    edited November 2016
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    I would have hoped they worked out these issues in the laboratory before they released the boiler. Still, this does make sense. (Note: the angle/hollow/solid nozzle spec remained the same)
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,506
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    Its not that. The megasteam has been out for quite some time. I'm just guessing, but they probably do continuous testing or did another round of testing and found this worked better. Or maybe they had to solve some problem and stumbled across this setup and found it worked a little better. It's not unusual.
    Look at Riello, they put out a spec book, but many times you'll see a label on the burner with different specs-nozzle, head, air. They bench fired it and determined those settings work better on that combination.
    Upping the pressure and lowering the gph to get the same firing rate is pretty common.
    Is there a problem you encountered, or did you just notice this and was curious?You can give tech support a call at US Boiler (don't have the number).
    steve
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,520
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    I have been doing this for over 40 years. MAYBE the boiler/burner manufacturers test RESIDENTIAL boilers the way they should but I can assure you that testing on the commercial burners in many cases does not happen.

    Just think of this:

    A particular commercial cast iron boiler may be made from say 4-18 sections. To test that with (1) make of oil burner would require 14 test set ups.

    Now test it with a gas burner

    Now test it with a combination gas/oil burner

    Now your complete with maybe (1) burner manufacturer.

    what about Riello, Weishaupt, PowerFlame, Carlin, Webster etc.etc.etc.

    The # of combinations is mind boggeling

    Some test, some don't (let the guys in the field figure it out), some do minimal testing

    When you have trouble and call the factory and ask questions and you get the "deer in the headlights" answer then you will know they didn't test.

    I always set things up according to the mfg. specs, you have to start somewhere. Then the fun begins.
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,506
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    Actually I just looked up my MPO, there are before/after settings for March 2013, bumping up the fuel pressure to 180, and dropping the nozzle a little, and switching it to a W. Now I'm curious too. I'll give them a call and post back tomorrow.
    steve
  • Jack M
    Jack M Member Posts: 229
    edited November 2016
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    STEVEusaPA said:

    did you just notice this and was curious?

    Yes. I was interested in the difference between the MST288 and the MST386 (they share identical boilers). The smaller MST288 uses a low fire baffle in the beckett burner and I was curious to know why the pressure (150 psi) in the MST288 was not increased to 180 (in 2013) as it was in the MST386. And why the MST386 does not use the same low fire baffle when spec'd with a .75 nozzle (vs .65 in the 288). Must be a lot of work to reach 86 AFLUE.

    The rationale "it runs better that way" certainly make sense but may not be a complete answer. I was looking for that.

  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,506
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    This is why I've moved to Riello again and again. Simply the best burner. 3 basic models, 2 different air tube lengths, super easy to work on and troubleshoot (unless you have to replace the burner motor)
    Talked to both Burnham, who said call Beckett, and Beckett. Beckett basically said another round of testing with the higher pump pressure, lower nozzle. If the old spec works for you leave it, if you're having issues with light off, flame stabilization, smoke, etc, try the newer spec.
    steve
  • Jack M
    Jack M Member Posts: 229
    edited November 2016
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    Thanks for clearing that up. Goes back to "EBEBRATT-Ed" comment and where the fun begins .
    Wish they would spec Riello for the MST-288.
  • Jack M
    Jack M Member Posts: 229
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    Note: as the pressure and nozzle changed so did the
    Beckett recommended air setting:

  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,506
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    If you want a Riello, call their tech support. You may be surprised to find that they have a recommendation.
    I found this out at a Riello class when I asked them why a certain boiler on just one size didn't have a spec'd Riello.
    They want their burner in every piece of equipment, so they will test it.
    It turns out in this specific case, the manufacturer wanted an F5 spec'd for all 3 of their firing rates. Riello could only get the F5 on their 2 higher fired boilers, but the F3 worked perfectly on the lowest fired appliance. The manufacturer only wanted one size Riello, so they didn't offer it. But I bet that Riello has tested it on your megasteam. Give them a call

    BTW, I hate that 9/0 setting. It only gives you one number to go up, then you have to bump the band to 1, lower the shutter and start over with your smoke tests.
    Another side note, I did ask Beckett why the shutter and the air band? I couldn't get an answer that I liked, but to me it's like a 10 or 15 speed bike, where different combinations kind of lead to the same result-thru trial and terror.
    steve
  • Jack M
    Jack M Member Posts: 229
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    STEVEusaPA said:

    it's like a 10 or 15 speed bike, where different combinations kind of lead to the same result-thru trial and terror.

    great analogy.
    What's the best number to reach Riello. I never get an email response from their online contact email.

  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,506
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    1 800-474-3556 is the only number I have.
    steve
  • Jack M
    Jack M Member Posts: 229
    edited November 2016
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    That # worked. The tech said Riello has no specs for a Riello on the Burnham Megasteam. Meaning that they have never tested one. Burnham may have tested a Riello however none of that information was shared.

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