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Oil Burner Wiring
jodellking
Member Posts: 8
in Oil Heating
I am trying to install a Wayne M-SR burner in my furnace and I am having problems with the wiring diagrams available. the Ignition Transformer has two black wires, the motor has a black and a white wire, the Honeywell ignitior has an orange wire, a red wire and a white wire. The input 115v power source has a red wire, a black wire and a white wire. All the wiring diagrams reference L1 and L2. I am assuming L1 to be red and L2 to be black, but I don't know if that is correct. I need help in the proper wiring connections to get this burner working. It is cold. All help is tremendously appreciated. Tks Joe
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This was tough for me a few years ago... ... Li is Hot... which is mostly black... L2 is common /neutral .. On a transformer one black goes to orange on control other to L2 ....Motor Black to orange on control white to control.... so it should be Black from control to l1... 3 white wires to the white on control and two wire to orange... ( looks like from your post the wire from control is red)0
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Why this burner? And after you install it, how do you know what nozzle to use, and how to set up the combustion for maximum efficiency?
Are the red, black and white wires coming from an aquastat or aquastat control? And what model is the Honeywell primary control (not ignitor)There was an error rendering this rich post.
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Joe.....Because he doesn't know you. He doesn't know your skill set, or qualifications. Because you are asking questions about the most dangerous part of the job. It is the one part of the job, when done wrong can kill people. Minor details like that.3
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jodellking...you need to hire a professional.
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Joe....Re-read Steve's post............Everything he asked, he might ask another pro, to help understand his line of thinking. He never talked down to you. The pros here help everyone. We see things here that are absolutely frightening. We've seen pictures of baby cribs, next to the boiler. Sometimes questions are asked that do not directly answer the original question. The pro may be trying to get the individual to realize the complexity, or danger of what he/she is trying to do. Many times the OP will say, I didn't know I had to do that.
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Op, I don't know why you took my comments so harshly. The questions I asked were 2 fold.
First, you stated a black red and white coming in as power, it's important to know if you are getting constant power from which wire and/or power coming from/thru the limit on the aquastat. It makes a difference how you wire it.
The fact that you don't know the proper name of the components gives me pause.
The fact the you state ... I don' think an oil burner that doesn't run because it is not wired correctly is gonna kill anyone... shows to me that safety isn't your highest priority. A burner wired incorrectly can kill someone, or at least burn your house down.
You said ...the burner was going bad... How did you draw that conclusion?
There's probably a wiring diagram right on the control, or at least with the manual that came with your burner, assuming you bought it new, and not secondhand or off the internet.
You also didn't give the module number of your primary control, which would've helped.
The wiring diagram is easily found and on honeywells website.
The wiring you describe is so basic it's almost impossible to look at it and not understand it.
I asked why you selected that burner. Is it a direct model for model replacement? Is it the same air tube length, same insertion depth, or correct insertion depth. Is it even recommended for your boiler? Do you know how to correctly mount the burner? Do you know how to set the head depth, check the pump pressure, and select the correct nozzle? Then perform a smoke test & combustion test. Do you know how to test the safety controls/devices?
My concern, despite your lengthly and unimpressive resume, is to make sure I don't give you enough info to allow you to install then commission a bomb.
Yes this is a "help" sight. Sometimes the best help is to recommend someone hire a professional.There was an error rendering this rich post.
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@STEVEusaPA I gave you two awesomes simply because you deserve it for this.
Steve didn't talk down to anyone nor is he a narcissistic person.
Hyrdroponic heating system. LOL!!!!!!!!!!Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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You are correct, I misread furnace for boiler, but still the red and black wire would then mean one wire or the other is coming from a fan/limit or other safety device.
I must be a truly horrible person...with properly and safely wired heating equipment.
Merry Xmas back at ya
@STEVEusaPA I gave you two awesomes simply because you deserve it for this.
Thanks Chris...laughter in the face of danger...but I'm still nervous for the OP.
"...hyrdroponic heating system ..." Enough said, right?
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"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincolnjodellking said:an aquastat is for a hyrdroponic heating system and my system is an oil/wood furnace.
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If you google the right thing you can find anything. If as he said he intends to wire it himself then have a pro check it, no harm no foul...(IMHO)
http://www.importadoresdirectos.com/Wayne_MSR_series.pdf
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@STEVEusaPA has been on this board since 2011 and I've read his responses to others that have asked for help and he's never been "narcissistic". You on the other hand joined a couple of days ago, and get bent out of shape when someone asks a few questions and demand to know why you are being asked questions. On top of that you throw in a zinger about aquastats being for hydroponic systems. Do you know what a hydroponic system is? I'm sure you can google it and find out that it has nothing to do with a aquastat.jodellking said:Chris, Abracadabra, Evidently, you guys cannot comprehend what Steve was saying to me in his post. If you don't think he was talking down too me and being demeaning and insulting then you need to do some research.
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To our OP here: may I suggest, rather strongly, that you take a few deep breaths, step back a bit, and relax. You are dealing on this board with some of the very best in the business, and they are trying to be as helpful as they can be. They are also cautious chaps, which is right and as it should be. It is remarkably easy to kill yourself or, worse, injure or kill others in this business, and they would like to be sure that that doesn't happen.
Sometimes the best help that one can give is to suggest that some professional advice is in order. From reading through your various posts, I would suggest that in this case you either need to ditch the attitude or get professional help for your system -- or both.Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England2 -
Joe..........When you get a little older, you'll realize that you don't always want to slam the door behind you. And on that note....don't let it hit you in the arse, on your way out.0
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Joe.....At 73, you should know better. If you ask for help, you take it the way it's given. You don't act like a "bull in a china shop". No one is being paid to provide a service to you. If the man wants to ask you a few questions....act like a human being and respond nicely.3
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"...I did what I probably should have done in the first place and called Charmaster and they sent me the wiring diagram..."
First thing I agree with
"... I don't have time for all this BS. ..."
3 days on here fighting with people or a 1 minute phone call to the manufacturer....hmmm maybe you do have time, or like it seems everyone these days wants instant answers from their computer...
I never understood if you bought the furnace, and bought a new/replacement burner, why you didn't have any instructions.
And how did you draw the conclusion you needed a new burner?And why was there an incoming black and red wire?
Well congrats on getting it to work. I'd love to hear the phone calls on how to get it to work properly.
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Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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Sidebar; If there is a black from power, and a red from limit, which would get wired to the three wire control? Both are incoming 120v correct?0
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@776v63 the whole point of my questioning where red and black originate and it depends on the control. Normally the wire from the limit would go to the primary because obviously you want to cut power to the burner when the high limit opens. However, a control with onboard diagnostics, pre/post purge, etc, would have a wire for the limit and a wire for L1. My concern, because I couldn't find a manual, was maybe there was more going on if there was some kind of automatic way (some kind of relay/switch to turn the burner on when the wood fire went out or couldn't keep up on a call for heat.
When you are trying to figure out wiring, usually safety controls are wired in series and operating controls/components wired in parallel.
If 2 wires were 120V hot in the box, one was probably just passing thru to the blower motor, also from the limit
https://customer.honeywell.com/resources/techlit/TechLitDocuments/69-0000s/69-0117.pdf
Look at the difference in the wiring between an 8184g and an 8184p in this link
https://customer.honeywell.com/resources/techlit/TechLitDocuments/69-0000s/69-0618.pdfThere was an error rendering this rich post.
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Makes sense. It would seem straight forward with one of the electronic primaries because, as you mentioned, they sometimes have a connector for limit. I don't think I've ever seen an MSR with anything other than a three wire primary though, so it didn't seem to add up.
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I have to make a comment here. People come here for advice and instruction, but feel insulted when you ask a few questions that would be crucial on the answer that we provide free of charge. Steve is a stand up guy who knows his trade. Age is just a number by the way. Give respect and you will get it in return. I see no demeaning questioning in his thread. L-2 is, or should be a white wire, L-2 is, or should be a black wire, and the red sounds like a limit wire. As I always say, pics help. OP could of at least provided those, and more info. Can anyone here tell me the winning lottery number tonight?
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Age IS just a number. I, wrongly assumed this poster was young, because I have seen this type of attitude from younger people on forums. In most cases(this one being an exception), with age comes wisdom. Ice sailor use to say......."You're smart, we're stupid".2
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I have respect and admiration for elders, but that is also a two way street0
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I'm going to be the jerk here but I can see OP's offense. His wiring question was met with some heavy condescension and prejudice. Rightfully so, he asserted himself, and that was met with more derision. Ugly thread.0
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Some people forget they are dealing with human beings. The answers may come out of the computer, but they are by-way-of flesh and blood individuals.
This individual has probably been told by others that he should not be playing with this. That's why he immediately got defensive.1 -
just want to add something to the discussion.
It's very hard to guess emotion from text.
Most arguments on the internet would never happen in person to person discussions because emotion is easily interpreted for most people.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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The member / closed area is different.Hatterasguy said:Apparently Hvac-talk has grown on us a bit.
If you really want to see ugly, ask a technical question over there.
Plus one. the guy was already on the " downside " of the conversation by asking a question and he got slapped in the face with the " RIGHT " answer. SMH , not my war , .." Self , move along ". " ok. "Bob Bona said:I'm going to be the jerk here but I can see OP's offense. His wiring question was met with some heavy condescension and prejudice. Rightfully so, he asserted himself, and that was met with more derision. Ugly thread.
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Remember...It's cold?.......If you think for one minute, he was going to get a pro to set up that burner...wait up for Santa. It's done.0
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Hvac talk used to get pretty nasty until they seperate pro's section. I haven't visited in years0
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As a person who does this for a living I will give advice but not how to. I stopped coming here when the format changed a few years ago. Loved it when it was professionals helping professionals. Coming in briefly today just reinforces my feelings.
I respect Dan so I don't come in and raise cain.1 -
Unfortunately it seems more homeowners need help dealing with professionals that don't know what they're doing these days. Something tells me this isn't something new, just people have a way to get help now.Leo said:As a person who does this for a living I will give advice but not how to. I stopped coming here when the format changed a few years ago. Loved it when it was professionals helping professionals. Coming in briefly today just reinforces my feelings.
I respect Dan so I don't come in and raise cain.
I don't have a cane to raise.Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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Stop in more often Leo1
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