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Oil Burner Wiring

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jodellking
jodellking Member Posts: 8
I am trying to install a Wayne M-SR burner in my furnace and I am having problems with the wiring diagrams available. the Ignition Transformer has two black wires, the motor has a black and a white wire, the Honeywell ignitior has an orange wire, a red wire and a white wire. The input 115v power source has a red wire, a black wire and a white wire. All the wiring diagrams reference L1 and L2. I am assuming L1 to be red and L2 to be black, but I don't know if that is correct. I need help in the proper wiring connections to get this burner working. It is cold. All help is tremendously appreciated. Tks Joe

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  • burnerman_2
    burnerman_2 Member Posts: 297
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    This was tough for me a few years ago... ... Li is Hot... which is mostly black... L2 is common /neutral .. On a transformer one black goes to orange on control other to L2 ....Motor Black to orange on control white to control.... so it should be Black from control to l1... 3 white wires to the white on control and two wire to orange... ( looks like from your post the wire from control is red)
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,505
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    Why this burner? And after you install it, how do you know what nozzle to use, and how to set up the combustion for maximum efficiency?
    Are the red, black and white wires coming from an aquastat or aquastat control? And what model is the Honeywell primary control (not ignitor)

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    Anthony Mobilio_3ChrisJKC_Jones
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
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    Joe.....Because he doesn't know you. He doesn't know your skill set, or qualifications. Because you are asking questions about the most dangerous part of the job. It is the one part of the job, when done wrong can kill people. Minor details like that.
    Anthony Mobilio_3KC_JonesChrisJ
  • Anthony Mobilio_3
    Anthony Mobilio_3 Member Posts: 62
    edited December 2015
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    jodellking...you need to hire a professional.
    776v63
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,505
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    You are correct, I misread furnace for boiler, but still the red and black wire would then mean one wire or the other is coming from a fan/limit or other safety device.
    I must be a truly horrible person...with properly and safely wired heating equipment.

    Merry Xmas back at ya

    @STEVEusaPA I gave you two awesomes simply because you deserve it for this.


    Thanks Chris...laughter in the face of danger...but I'm still nervous for the OP.

    "...hyrdroponic heating system ..." Enough said, right?

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    Robert O'Brienbilltwocase
  • Abracadabra
    Abracadabra Member Posts: 1,948
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    an aquastat is for a hyrdroponic heating system and my system is an oil/wood furnace.

    "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln
    Robert O'Brienrick in Alaska
  • lchmb
    lchmb Member Posts: 2,997
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    If you google the right thing you can find anything. If as he said he intends to wire it himself then have a pro check it, no harm no foul...(IMHO)

    http://www.importadoresdirectos.com/Wayne_MSR_series.pdf

    Merry Christmas to everyone..:)
  • Abracadabra
    Abracadabra Member Posts: 1,948
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    Chris, Abracadabra, Evidently, you guys cannot comprehend what Steve was saying to me in his post. If you don't think he was talking down too me and being demeaning and insulting then you need to do some research.

    @STEVEusaPA has been on this board since 2011 and I've read his responses to others that have asked for help and he's never been "narcissistic". You on the other hand joined a couple of days ago, and get bent out of shape when someone asks a few questions and demand to know why you are being asked questions. On top of that you throw in a zinger about aquastats being for hydroponic systems. Do you know what a hydroponic system is? I'm sure you can google it and find out that it has nothing to do with a aquastat.
    KC_JonesChrisJbilltwocase
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 23,438
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    To our OP here: may I suggest, rather strongly, that you take a few deep breaths, step back a bit, and relax. You are dealing on this board with some of the very best in the business, and they are trying to be as helpful as they can be. They are also cautious chaps, which is right and as it should be. It is remarkably easy to kill yourself or, worse, injure or kill others in this business, and they would like to be sure that that doesn't happen.

    Sometimes the best help that one can give is to suggest that some professional advice is in order. From reading through your various posts, I would suggest that in this case you either need to ditch the attitude or get professional help for your system -- or both.
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    KC_Jonesbilltwocase
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
    edited December 2015
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    Joe..........When you get a little older, you'll realize that you don't always want to slam the door behind you. And on that note....don't let it hit you in the arse, on your way out.
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
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    Joe.....At 73, you should know better. If you ask for help, you take it the way it's given. You don't act like a "bull in a china shop". No one is being paid to provide a service to you. If the man wants to ask you a few questions....act like a human being and respond nicely.
    KC_JonesChrisJbilltwocase
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,505
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    "...I did what I probably should have done in the first place and called Charmaster and they sent me the wiring diagram..."

    First thing I agree with

    "... I don't have time for all this BS. ..."

    3 days on here fighting with people or a 1 minute phone call to the manufacturer....hmmm maybe you do have time, or like it seems everyone these days wants instant answers from their computer...
    I never understood if you bought the furnace, and bought a new/replacement burner, why you didn't have any instructions.
    And how did you draw the conclusion you needed a new burner?And why was there an incoming black and red wire?

    Well congrats on getting it to work. I'd love to hear the phone calls on how to get it to work properly.

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  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,784
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    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
    STEVEusaPA
  • 776v63
    776v63 Member Posts: 61
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    Sidebar; If there is a black from power, and a red from limit, which would get wired to the three wire control? Both are incoming 120v correct?
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,505
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    @776v63 the whole point of my questioning where red and black originate and it depends on the control. Normally the wire from the limit would go to the primary because obviously you want to cut power to the burner when the high limit opens. However, a control with onboard diagnostics, pre/post purge, etc, would have a wire for the limit and a wire for L1. My concern, because I couldn't find a manual, was maybe there was more going on if there was some kind of automatic way (some kind of relay/switch to turn the burner on when the wood fire went out or couldn't keep up on a call for heat.
    When you are trying to figure out wiring, usually safety controls are wired in series and operating controls/components wired in parallel.
    If 2 wires were 120V hot in the box, one was probably just passing thru to the blower motor, also from the limit
    https://customer.honeywell.com/resources/techlit/TechLitDocuments/69-0000s/69-0117.pdf

    Look at the difference in the wiring between an 8184g and an 8184p in this link
    https://customer.honeywell.com/resources/techlit/TechLitDocuments/69-0000s/69-0618.pdf

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    776v63billtwocase
  • 776v63
    776v63 Member Posts: 61
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    Makes sense. It would seem straight forward with one of the electronic primaries because, as you mentioned, they sometimes have a connector for limit. I don't think I've ever seen an MSR with anything other than a three wire primary though, so it didn't seem to add up.

    Thanks.
  • billtwocase
    billtwocase Member Posts: 2,385
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    I have to make a comment here. People come here for advice and instruction, but feel insulted when you ask a few questions that would be crucial on the answer that we provide free of charge. Steve is a stand up guy who knows his trade. Age is just a number by the way. Give respect and you will get it in return. I see no demeaning questioning in his thread. L-2 is, or should be a white wire, L-2 is, or should be a black wire, and the red sounds like a limit wire. As I always say, pics help. OP could of at least provided those, and more info. Can anyone here tell me the winning lottery number tonight? :)
    ChrisJ
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
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    Age IS just a number. I, wrongly assumed this poster was young, because I have seen this type of attitude from younger people on forums. In most cases(this one being an exception), with age comes wisdom. Ice sailor use to say......."You're smart, we're stupid".
    billtwocaseChrisJ
  • billtwocase
    billtwocase Member Posts: 2,385
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    I have respect and admiration for elders, but that is also a two way street
  • Bob Bona_4
    Bob Bona_4 Member Posts: 2,083
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    I'm going to be the jerk here but I can see OP's offense. His wiring question was met with some heavy condescension and prejudice. Rightfully so, he asserted himself, and that was met with more derision. Ugly thread.
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
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    Some people forget they are dealing with human beings. The answers may come out of the computer, but they are by-way-of flesh and blood individuals.
    This individual has probably been told by others that he should not be playing with this. That's why he immediately got defensive.
    billtwocase
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,784
    edited December 2015
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    just want to add something to the discussion.

    It's very hard to guess emotion from text.
    Most arguments on the internet would never happen in person to person discussions because emotion is easily interpreted for most people.

    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
    Bob Bona_4
  • hvacfreak2
    hvacfreak2 Member Posts: 500
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    Apparently Hvac-talk has grown on us a bit.

    If you really want to see ugly, ask a technical question over there. :s

    The member / closed area is different.
    Bob Bona said:

    I'm going to be the jerk here but I can see OP's offense. His wiring question was met with some heavy condescension and prejudice. Rightfully so, he asserted himself, and that was met with more derision. Ugly thread.

    Plus one. the guy was already on the " downside " of the conversation by asking a question and he got slapped in the face with the " RIGHT " answer. SMH , not my war , .." Self , move along ". " ok. "

    hvacfreak

    Mechanical Enthusiast

    Burnham MST 396 , 60 oz gauge , Tigerloop , Firomatic Check Valve , Mcdonnell Miller 67 lwco , Danfoss RA2k TRV's

    Easyio FG20 Controller

  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
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    Remember...It's cold?.......If you think for one minute, he was going to get a pro to set up that burner...wait up for Santa. It's done.
  • Bob Bona_4
    Bob Bona_4 Member Posts: 2,083
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    Hvac talk used to get pretty nasty until they seperate pro's section. I haven't visited in years
  • Leo
    Leo Member Posts: 770
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    As a person who does this for a living I will give advice but not how to. I stopped coming here when the format changed a few years ago. Loved it when it was professionals helping professionals. Coming in briefly today just reinforces my feelings.
    I respect Dan so I don't come in and raise cain.
    billtwocase
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,784
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    Leo said:

    As a person who does this for a living I will give advice but not how to. I stopped coming here when the format changed a few years ago. Loved it when it was professionals helping professionals. Coming in briefly today just reinforces my feelings.
    I respect Dan so I don't come in and raise cain.

    Unfortunately it seems more homeowners need help dealing with professionals that don't know what they're doing these days. Something tells me this isn't something new, just people have a way to get help now.

    I don't have a cane to raise.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • billtwocase
    billtwocase Member Posts: 2,385
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    Stop in more often Leo
    KC_Jones