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Tinman
Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
in THE MAIN WALL
that a monkey can be taught to solder like a professional in 30 minutes. Can the same be said for pressing? When will the "A Plumbing We Will Go" movie end? You should see the boiler room! I won't be posting that yet. I just bid on the re-pipe.
Steve Minnich
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  • KC_Jones
    KC_Jones Member Posts: 5,737
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    You must post more, that is.....creative? Maybe they were going for the modern art look?
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  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,673
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    Show some respect.
    The stooges were using threaded pipe.

    Besides, like Mow said, "Who said you need brains to be a plumber".
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  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
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    That's awesome the Untrimmed great stuff makes it complete!
    TinmanZman
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,673
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    He probably played this a lot as a kid.


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  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
    edited November 2015
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    Quite a few things are wrong with the near boiler piping. My biggest issue being a complete misunderstanding of P/S piping, two tees in the same area code won't do it. My three adult daughters are really bright people. When they were kids, the one material thing that we always over-indulged them with were books - from a very early age. They read and read and read some more. The most important things we have to read as contractors are 40-100 page books...Installation Instructions. They spell it out and give us pictures and diagrams for the visual learners and Warnings and Caution Alerts and all kinds of information that they feel is really important to know before we install their product. If I had one tiny bit of advice for contractors it would be to slow down enough to read those 40-100 pages.

    The other issues are no flow checks causing zone temps to overshoot by 10-15 degrees, no buffer tank when the job screams for one, and very poor workmanship among other things.

    The thing is - they chose a really good boiler, air separator, pumps, etc. They just didn't know what to do with them.
    Steve Minnich
  • Rich_49
    Rich_49 Member Posts: 2,766
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    The designer and installer are as much a part of the system as any of the quality components . I'm sure you'll fix it up and someone has learned that the bottom line is not the only consideration .
    You didn't get what you didn't pay for and it will never be what you thought it would .
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  • j a_2
    j a_2 Member Posts: 1,801
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    Hay the guy came in with the best price...the other guys were a bunch of thiefs...Not
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  • njtommy
    njtommy Member Posts: 1,105
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    I have no words but would like to see more.
  • hvacfreak2
    hvacfreak2 Member Posts: 500
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    Hey Moe , there's the problem , this pipe is full of wires !!
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  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,376
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    Stephen Minnich said:

    If I had one tiny bit of advice for contractors it would be to slow down enough to read those 40-100 pages.

    Ah, but therein lies the rub: how can you be taught something that you think you already know?



    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
    Tinman
  • Abracadabra
    Abracadabra Member Posts: 1,948
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    meh... if it doesn't leak... it's fine.. The Three Stooges only got into trouble because everything started leaking.
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,808
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    And...Curly piped himself into the tub.
    Steve Minnich
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  • njtommy
    njtommy Member Posts: 1,105
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    My favorite episode
  • unclejohn
    unclejohn Member Posts: 1,833
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    njtommy....That's funny, and I know funny.
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  • mars_6
    mars_6 Member Posts: 107
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    That's just sad, put the tools down and get away from the boiler before you hurt someone. I heard a comment from a plumbing apprentice once that made me cringe. Its just water going through them pipes so whats the difference. How can we as an industry convince more people that this is a trade to be appreciated. Makes me feel like all the time I have spent trying to do my best is wasted. Dam!
    Matt Rossi
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,673
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    Stephen Minnich said:

    And...Curly piped himself into the tub.

    They later redid that episode using Shemp and a lot of the older footage. It's worth a watch as you see some stuff that was cut from the original.

    It's called Vagabond Loafers.

    https://youtu.be/08sCJVa32ik
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  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
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    They say Just picking up a rock, and using it to strike a,nail is what separates us from the monkeys.......some did not advance from there.
    Rich_49
  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,356
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    How can you possibly be the lowest bidder feeding a two loop manifold with one inch copper? If the design actually required a two loop manifold there, we would have fabricated the manifold out of inexpensive parts and fed it with 1/2" PEX, making our materials cost probably 80% lower.
    Tinman
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
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    Looks like they transitioned from pex to copper.
  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,356
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    Right, but why?
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,673
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    Looks like from pex to copper to pex.

    As far as why I don't think you're going to find that answer here.
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  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
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    I think they could have taken it to a whole next level by bringing the manifold to bar top height, and adding beer tapper handles to the manifold. Hacker-pschorr is a personal favorite.
    SWEI
  • KC_Jones
    KC_Jones Member Posts: 5,737
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    I think you might be on to something there. They were enjoying liquid refreshments while doing that work.
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  • Abracadabra
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    Gordy said:

    I think they could have taken it to a whole next level by bringing the manifold to bar top height, and adding beer tapper handles to the manifold. Hacker-pschorr is a personal favorite.

    Wait! wut? the loops have beer in them? Hmm... does beer have a lower freezing point than glycol? Maybe it's the better thermal transfer properties, although.. warm beer... meh..
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
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    To much foam with that circ running.
    SWEI

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