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Is savings still possible if only insulation is on boiler room pipes?

I have a situation where only the boiler room pipes are accessible and I'm looking to put insulation on those pipes. I know that it should also include any mains which would be ideal but in this case is not possible. I am told that a customer will not see significant savings unless ALL the pipes are insulated. I believe that some insulation is better than none.

Is it not worthwhile to insulate what you can rather than leave the pipes bare?

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  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 25,624

    I'd say to insulate what you can get out. Pity the mains aren't accessible, though — that's where the real advantages start to appear.

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    milachyo
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,305
    edited February 13

    It's worthwhile to partially insulate, if by "worthwhile" you mean you would like less heat in the boiler room. As for payback, that's a tough one to figure out. Depending on the situation, you get a lot of boiler room heat moving into the living space. If the boiler room is cold and drafty due to outside walls and bad rim joist sealing, then you'll lose more of that heat and insulation may payback better.

    But in no case should the customer expect to notice this in their monthly bills.

    Leaving them bare will have no effect on the performance of the boiler especially if it's piped at all correctly.

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  • delcrossv
    delcrossv Member Posts: 1,916
    edited February 13

    Well, steam will get to the radiators faster if the mains are insulated. Noticeably so? Maybe, maybe not. Did half the building that was uninsulated and there was a big improvement in getting heat to the apartments on that side. (thermostat was on the "hot" side of the building)

    Trying to squeeze the best out of a Weil-McLain JB-5 running a 1912 1 pipe system.
    milachyo
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,305

    The OP can't reach the mains, only the near boiler piping. But your point remains true enough for those pipes too.

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  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 10,168

    Is there something "man made" keeping you from insulating the main piping and all the branch runs to the radiators? Seems like someone could remove that barrier to insulate the pipes the a man can put that barrier back as if no one was even there. But will the cost of all that work be offset by the savings. Maybe… maybe not.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    delcrossv
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,305

    You are thinking there's like a natural rock formation or lava flow in the way, Ed? Seems like it must be a man-made hindrance.

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  • delcrossv
    delcrossv Member Posts: 1,916
    Trying to squeeze the best out of a Weil-McLain JB-5 running a 1912 1 pipe system.
  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,637

    Cost/benefit is a complex calculation. Insulating the piping around the boiler will improve performance and is part of a good heating system. Will the improvement be notable? That depends on the system.

    There's a right and wrong way of doing any job. The right way of installing a steam system includes insulating as much of it as possible. The wrong way is to have no pipes insulated.

    Decisions must be made.

    milachyo