Swimming Pool and Bulk Water Supply?
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……. some internal struts would be an easy thing to add. Rectangular storage has most all the benefits I think.
….. if a bulging middle section was an issue, I could simply section the 40ft length internally and have two 8ft x 10ft x 20ft tanks (aprox. 12,000 gallons each)
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you could get some ideas online about what water brings in your
area
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
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…. I'm assuming this blatter has internal support struts to work within a storage container.
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……. How about supplying bulk salt brine during the winter months??
(for ice and snow removal)
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Shipping containers do not have the rigidity to carry this amount of water weight. They are designed to transport goods and protect them from weather only. The typical shipping container is designed with corrugated steel walls to increase thier rigidity and the corners are reinforced to allow the shipping container to be lifted by container cranes.
DOT standard weight limits for loads in a semi trailer is 22 tons/44,000 pounds. One gallon of water weighs 8.33 pounds; 22 tons. 44,000 pounds divided by 8.33 pounds = 5,282 gallons. The weight of the load in a shipping container is only supported by the floor of the shipping container nothing more. The corrugated steel sheets are only there to support the frame of the shipping container that is all they are not designed to resist side pressure.
The vertical tubular steel used for the door frame, floor rails and top rails do nothing more than create the rectangle of the shipping container. The lift points are either forklift pockets or the top corners where the containers are connected with pins to anchor them in place with the container below it.
A fuel loading arm used for water is a very expensive way to load a low value commodity like water when cam lock pipe connectors and roll flat hose is all that is needed. Loading arms like these are mounted on tank loading racks that are connected to tanks located above them or nearby and fluid flow is controlled by explosion proof switches mounted on the loading arms UNLESS the loading arm has an internal gate valve that closes when the loading arm is lifted closing it.
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There is great deal more to this than you are aware of. Railroads used water pumping wind mills to fill above ground storage tanks that fill the tenders of steam locomotives using counterweighted loading pipes that used both chain operated gate valves or gravity to control the water flow through the loading pipe used to fill the tender through its hatch cover by lifting the loading pipe to vertical using a counterweight to lift the loading pipe on its pipe swivel to stop the flow of water.
You will be money ahead and have fewer headaches trying to sell your water to the municipality, I just hope your current piping does not rupture.
A rectangular econotank from www.modutank.com is a much more effective way to store water and enable you to pump it.
You can use a Warren Rupp Sand Piper to pump 400 gallons per minute out of the econotank to a cam lock connection on the users tank truck to fill it just as a municipality does to fill thier water trucks to wash the streets.
All that is needed is the required number of cam lock connectors and the 4 inch hose from the sand piper to connect to any tank truck that will visit you for water as most of the small water pumpers use 2 inch connections.
The modutank and econotank liners are designed to use inlet and outlet piping and gate valves.
The econotanks and modutanks can be used with floating covers as well.
The folks that sell water in your area already have a water supply so they do not need your water.
If you could find a customer that needs very large amounts of water for their business you could take advantage of the rail line near your property you could load tank cars with it.
The issue would simply be one of manually loading each tank car which is standard practice using a loading arm and stanchion or a hose connected to the bottom of the tank car.
Using a 4 inch sand piper pump to fill an 8,000 gallon tank car would only take 20 minutes per tank car.
The water business is simply one of supply and demand and the demand has already been met by the local water haulers in any case as they already have thier own water supply.
The one and only advantage you have is simply one of water supply that is all. It is a commodity of low monetary value.
You could have a distilled water operation filling 330 gallon U.N. totes for sale to many users that would be used to supply pure drinking water and charge a refundable deposit for the containers along with the cost of the water.
The State of Pennsylvania Department of Health and your local health department would be involved in inspecting a water bottling plant as required.
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Not unless you want to spend thousands of dollars certifying your salt brine and having it tested for its chloride content and then putting up with Rodney Klopp and his **** telling you do not have a production facility to inspect and being denied the ability to even provide brine samples-been there done that with my patented high density salt brine.
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I have plenty of room to set up a testing lab! (Both tier one and two are open for use)
I was also thinking with all this water (H2O) to extract the D2O (heavy water) from it and sell to nuclear power plants for a nuclear fusion moderator.
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YOU have to understand that brines samples have to be sent to an independent testing laboratory certified by penndot; you cannot do it!!
If they are accepted by penndot-if you get that far with rodney klopp and his band of thieves you have to apply to become an authorized bidder and then wait for them to approve or disprove your application.
You also have to be able to provide and deliver salt brine when and where needed in the State of Pennsylvania.
The salt giants cargill and morton sell salt brine making equipment using rock salt so this is a non starter for you.
Making heavy water is a guaranteed trip to the governments trial bench in Harrisburg and time spent as a guest of the government.
Try to sell your water to the municipality and if they want to buy it as a raw water supply great.
Car washes depend on potable chlorinated municipal water supplies.
Fire departments depend on thier own well water, municipal fire hydrants and creek water for water, they will not go out and install 20-30,000 gallon vertical tanks just because you have water to sell them.
A fire department also depends on mutual aid from other fire departments and volunteer departments that will convoy water to a fire they are fighting and dumping it into portable water ponds that are erected behind their fire departments main pumper and the water tankers back up to the portable water pond and open the dump gate or if there is no room, run a 4 inch line to the pond and dump it in the portable pond that way.
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If you spend $30,000.00 on a brine maker and storage tanks and no one buys from you because your brine is not penndot certified you will have a brine maker to make deicing and snow removal brine for your own properties.
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If you are still honestly serious about your issues with water disposal this should help you.
Talk to the fellow that owns and operates Jacobs Well he is shipping water by rail to communities that have little to no water.
The first thing you have to tell him is you have an artesian water supply of 400 gallons per minute that you are pumping to waste via a canal.
The second thing is you need to tell him is you have a rail line bordering your property that can be accessed from your property for pumping water.
If you know how busy the line is and who owns it will help him a lot as he needs to know if it is a class 1, 2 or 3 rail line.
www.jacobswell8.godaddysites.com
Drewhalter@jacobswell.com
Jacobs Well
37 Riverview Road, West
Delta, Pennsylvania
17314
1-812-664-3718
1-505-862-7847
1-877-989-4100
I want to help you with this, so just listen to him, don't interrupt him,
and listen to me as to how you can use a low profile modutank and
4 inch sand piper pumps to load these tank cars simply if he is interested
in your water.
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The rail line is a freight only line that services the many industrial buildings all around us.
They often sleep their trains right at out property line.
Its a low ,low speed one track in and out usually just one pass every other day.
I'll reach to jacobswell8! …. and train engineer people.
…. we have room for an 4 train tanker side rail for parking.
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Judging by the amount of low speed single track rail line, the sidings and the WYE there you have plenty of room to switch a great number of empty and loaded tank cars that can be shoved along the rail lines and sidings so you should not need a siding if they are interested in your water.
If you have a shallow water table under the parking lot you can fill a rectangular modutank large enough to fill 3+ cars at a time. I would see about hiring a dowser to see how deep the water is and then go from there.
If it is as shallow as the water in your basement you could fill a 25,000 gallon modutank tank every day to bottom fill 8,000 gallon tank cars a day using a 4 inch sand piper in under 3 hours.
A large enough gas engine air compressor kept in the shipping container that can run 8 air nailers would be large enough to do this and power a Warren Rupp air operated turbine drainage pump to fill the modutank from a stacked precast cesspool wrapped with weed fabric and surrounded with pea gravel or asphalt makeup sand.
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Yeah, sure. Bristol Beer & Grill, and motel behind it. Been a long time.
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