A comment from the other side of the pond

Jamie Hall

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/heat-pumps-are-starting-to-look-like-a-conspiracy-against-the-public/ar-AA1b6s4O?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=1c123cfa9e6149ee94d464b219e5f3c4&ei=15

Hot_water_fan

Caleffi's Idronics covers this so well, people need to read them!

STEVEusaPA

I like how he doesn't want to ditch gas necessarily, but takes a poke at oil saying "...smelly oil-fired boiler...".
We barely have any WSHPs here.
Nice that someone is talking about it. Not that that helps when you're up against the gov't.

EdTheHeaterMan

The Government wouldn't lie about this! I remember when Ron Regan said the 9 most feared words in the english language. "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help." But this should not turn into a political platform. Remember Tommy Smothers dissection of the word Politics to understand the true meaning of the word.

"POLI" is from the Greek word meaning MANY. "TICS" are blood sucking parasites that thrive on humans of all demographics

ChrisJ

I agree with not wanting a smelly oil fired boiler.


BTW, @Jamie Hall I keep seeing things suggesting Nuclear power is making a strong comeback in the US. We can hope.

hot_rod

ChrisJ said:

I agree with not wanting a smelly oil fired boiler. BTW, @Jamie Hall I keep seeing things suggesting Nuclear power is making a strong comeback in the US. We can hope.

Locally they were set to order several of the small fast set up nukes, turns out, currently , that Russia is the only source for the fuel enriched at the level required for these reactors? According to the local paper 

JDHW

Dear @Jamie Hall thankyou for rattling my cage one more time :-) British gas was at one time the company that came out of 1980's UK plan to nationalise all the utilities. At this time they were the nation gas transmission operator, local service/installation provider - basically a monopoly. After lots of corporate restucturing they are basically a service/installation company that still has a loyal following. It is nice to see that they are offering what looks like good advice.

However, British gas is currently owned by Centrica ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrica ) and they have made a LOT of money with the increased cost of gas since the invasion of the Ukrane. British Gas are relying on people not getting alternative quotes for the work they bid on.

When new technologies come along there is a cycle of:
this is world changing to this is a disaster, then in the fullnes to time a realisation of the real merit of the technology is understood ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner_hype_cycle ). With heat pumps we have not hit the "Trough of Disillusionment" yet.

For UK people there are lots of homes with poor insulation and heat pumps will be a costly learning exercise. British Gas not getting on the bandwagon is quite revealing!

BW
John

Hot_water_fan

I would wager a max of 1 GW of new US nuclear by 2030 (Vogtle excluded). Anyone want to take the over?

ChrisJ

hot_rod said:

ChrisJ said:

I agree with not wanting a smelly oil fired boiler.


BTW, @Jamie Hall I keep seeing things suggesting Nuclear power is making a strong comeback in the US. We can hope.

Locally they were set to order several of the small fast set up nukes, turns out, currently , that Russia is the only source for the fuel enriched at the level required for these reactors? According to the local paper 

Well.
I guess we better start working on that.

HVACNUT

ChrisJ said:

I agree with not wanting a smelly oil fired boiler. 

If it's smelly, you're doing it wrong.

ChrisJ

HVACNUT said:

ChrisJ said:

I agree with not wanting a smelly oil fired boiler. 

If it's smelly, you're doing it wrong.

Diesel it self is smelly.
It stinks, period.

Sorry but, I greatly prefer methane and butane.

SlamDunk

Heat pumps in and of themselves arent that great. Tie them to a geothermal loop system and now youre cooking with gas!
But like the article said, you need a very insulated house. Even with geothermal.

Jamie Hall

SlamDunk said:

Heat pumps in and of themselves arent that great. Tie them to a geothermal loop system and now youre cooking with gas!
But like the article said, you need a very insulated house. Even with geothermal.

Chortle. When my daughter was studying in Edinburgh she had five apartments at various times over the years. The newest building was almost new -- built in 1880. The oldest (and by far the nicest) was in a building built around 1600. Typical of the city. None of them could have been insulated realistically.

DJD775

ChrisJ said:

HVACNUT said:

ChrisJ said:

I agree with not wanting a smelly oil fired boiler. 

If it's smelly, you're doing it wrong.

Diesel it self is smelly.
It stinks, period.

Sorry but, I greatly prefer methane and butane.

I guess it's personal preference. I like the smell of diesel but dislike the smell of mercaptan. That said I would still choose natural gas over oil if I had the choice.

ChrisJ

DJD775 said:

ChrisJ said:

I agree with not wanting a smelly oil fired boiler. 

If it's smelly, you're doing it wrong.

Diesel it self is smelly. It stinks, period. Sorry but, I greatly prefer methane and butane.

I guess it's personal preference. I like the smell of diesel but dislike the smell of mercaptan. That said I would still choose natural gas over oil if I had the choice.

Oh I don't doubt it.  A very good friend of mine likes the smell of diesel. 

Mad Dog_2

The oil burner mechanics I know both have homes with oil burners but you cannot smell one iota of #2.  Its all about Meticulously maintaining the burner and boiler and not have a drop of oil around the boiler.  You could eat off their boilers.  Unfortunately, some aren't so caring AND alot of HO's try to save $$ buying C.O.D. oil and doing maintenance only as absolutely needed.  Mad Dog 🐕 

Mad Dog_2

When we did an oil burner or oil to gas conversion, Uncle Richard's crack boiler crew of Michael Pedicini (Taught by Jimmy The Gent Burke) and Jimmy, were absolutely FANATICAL that we didn't spill a DROP of oil.  They cared.  Mad Dog 🐕