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1 pipe steam pipe through uninsulated joist

Kjmass1Kjmass1 Member Posts: 202
edited December 2019 in Strictly Steam
I’d like to add a small radiator to my 1 pipe steam system on an elevated porch that has exposed floor joists. Would having ~1’ (quick 90 degree fitting) of runout exposed to the elements be an issue assuming it is pitched correctly? I’ll eventually get it insulated but wondering if I could get through the winter as is (Boston). My thinking is the pipes are hot enough for the condensate to return without freezing, and at below freezing the boiler is running once an hour anyways.
Kevin

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  • gfrbrooklinegfrbrookline Member Posts: 610
    I live in Brookline and wouldn't risk it even with insulation.
  • Kjmass1Kjmass1 Member Posts: 202
    > @gfrbrookline said:
    > I live in Brookline and wouldn't risk it even with insulation.

    I’m in Brookline as well. Thanks good to know.
  • STEAM DOCTORSTEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 1,164
    It probably won't freeze but I don't know how much steam will actually make it to the radiator. The steam will probably condense before it gets the radiator
    Hap_Hazzardethicalpaul
  • ethicalpaulethicalpaul Member Posts: 1,610
    edited December 2019
    After my experience in my bedroom fed by a 1" supply in a cold exterior wall space that was basically exposed in a small area to the outside, I would say this:

    Make it 1-1/4" pipe. Insulate it with nice thick fiberglass. The good stuff from https://www.buyinsulationproductstore.com/Fiberglass-Pipe-Insulation-SSL-ASJ/ or similar from local supply.

    They have 2" insulation for 1-1/4 pipe.

    If you set up the slope correctly you won't ever have to worry about freezing because there will be almost nothing to freeze, and if a small amount of condensate were to freeze, no problem. It's not like the whole pipe is going to be full of water. We're talking tiny pools at the threads.

    My problem was all with the slope. I had an uphill section that collected water and it just flat out killed the steam.

    I have two other radiators that are also in cold exterior walls, and they are fine. It still drives me crazy that I'm heating the exterior wall and I may re-run those to be inside the living space as well, but they heat fine.
    1 pipe Utica 112 in Cedar Grove, NJ, coal > oil > NG
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Member Posts: 12,863
    I think I'm with @ethicalpaul on this one. With a heavy emphasis on insulate the dickens out of it. It's really hard to freeze a steam system (I've had a few frozen traps on outside walls over the years), but without insulation he's right -- steam will have a hard time getting by.
    Br. Jamie, osb

    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.

    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
    ethicalpaul
  • Kjmass1Kjmass1 Member Posts: 202
    Thanks- appreciate it. I can alternatively come up in the room next to it and then go through the baseboards/wall which would be all conditioned space. Unfortunately the 90 from the basement would be 5" from the baseboard in the floor so a little bit of a trip hazard.
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Member Posts: 12,863
    Paint it orange. Or put a plant stand over it...
    Br. Jamie, osb

    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.

    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
    Mike Cascio
  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 7,058
    If you pitch it right it will be impossible to freeze it.....Maybe I shouldn't have said impossible. extreamely unlikely
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